September 17, 2004

Must-read: Leon Wieseltier in The New Republic on Israel's "coming war within":

...The evacuation of settlements on the West Bank a "crime against humanity"? Jews should not be so wanton with the term. We have more than a rough idea of what a crime against humanity looks like...

No, the settlements are not the sole obstacle to peace; but they are an obstacle, and they are "our" obstacle. No, the Palestinians are not yet keen for diplomacy, too many of them are still betting on bombs and babies, but this suits the Israeli right fine. Under cover of Palestinian folly, it proceeds with its folly. Netanyahu says that a referendum must be held before Israeli disengagement from Gaza, but I do not recall that a referendum was held before Israeli engagement in Gaza. Then, as now, policy was made by a democratically elected government. But these days the head of such a government is denounced as "the dictator" in the streets and menaced by Kabbalistic curses and extremist plots. Extirpation and expulsion: You would think that Ariel Sharon were Hadrian, or Ferdinand, or the Czar. There are grounds for dread.

Wieseltier's piece echoes the alarm raised by the Israeli press the past few weeks, warning of "the coming civil war." I was at an Erev Rosh Hashana dinner the other night with a law student -- a Democrat who plans to vote for Bush because he supports the White House approach to the war on terror -- who was saying violence between Israeli troops and the settlers they will be ordered to evacuate would never happen, as many Israeli papers are warning. But it was only nine years ago that Rabin was assassinated by a right wing Jewish fanatic. One does wonder, how did so many people in American Jewry get so out of touch with what's happening in Israel? Why do so many seem to harbor so many illusions? As one Israeli reader recently wrote me, "the contradictions in Israeli society are about to explode in a violent way." But this topic of the very real potential for 'us vs. us' violence in Israel is treated either as a remote possibility or almost a taboo topic among American Jewry, despite the recent history and warnings.

The Washington Monthly ran a superb piece a couple years ago by Heather Hurlburt asking, why can't the Democrats think straight about national security? I think the same has to be asked of American Jews: why can't American Jews think straight about Israel? And is it really in Israelis' true interest for their American supporters to be so hysterical about the issue? And I say this as a pro-Israel centrist who believes that the sooner the parties can reach a two state solution that most Israelis and Palestinians are willing to live with, the better. Can anyone say that the last few years since the collapse of Oslo, of intifadah, terror, and oppression of the occupied territories, have brought peace or security to anyone?

Good for Wieseltier for sticking out his neck on this issue and calling for reason to prevail.


Posted by Laura at September 17, 2004 07:02 PM
Comments

'bout time Wieseltier said something sensible for a change.

Posted by: Luke Lea at September 17, 2004 07:12 PM

"If you want people to have faith and belief in God, you cannot rely on preaching along the lines of a particular church you must, in the first place, portray your God believably-AND you must act credibly yourself. In other words, you have to do the opposite of what so often is done by the representatives of organized religion when they build up an image of God as someone who is primarily interested in being believed in and who rigorously insists that those who believe in him be affiliated with a particular church. Small wonder that such representatives of religion behave as though the saw the main task of their own denomination asthat of overriding other denominations."

Dr. Viktor E. Frankl survivor of 3 concentration camps and the NAZI holocaust.

"God says to tell you that you make a better shoe salesman."

From "Oh God I"

Posted by: Manoppello at September 17, 2004 07:31 PM

Leon is right. As he often is IMHO.

Laura - Most Jews in America that I speak to about Israel strongly support a two-state solution, but are often reluctant to criticize Israel because they see it as under attack ideologically (if not physically) by so many who would like to see it destroyed. While this is not adaptive or functional, it is somewhat understandable when you read the likes of Raimondo and all of the anti-semitic Muslim Imams seeking to undermine its justification for existence at all.

May I recommend the following articles and websites for background on American Jewish attitudes towards Israel.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=49067&d=29&m=7&y=2004

http://friedensbewegung.zionismus.info/international/majority.htm

http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/article/431/

http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/display.cfm?id=6&Sub=15&dis=3

http://www.meforum.org/article/428

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=467865

Bereaved Families’ Forum
www.mideastweb.org/bereaved_families_forum.htm

Brit Tzedek v’Shalom
www.btvshalom.org

Jewish Women for Justice in Israel/Palestine
www.geocities.com/jwjip

Not In My Name
www.nimn.org

Peace Chanukah
www.peacechanukah.net

Tikkun
www.tikkun.org

Posted by: Liberty at September 17, 2004 08:28 PM

Liberty,
Thanks for these excellent suggestions....

Posted by: Laura at September 17, 2004 08:30 PM

Palestinians not yet ready to negotiate? How can anyone know? There has never been an honest broker, Israel has had all the weapons given to them, and even during Oslo they continued settling the Occupied Territories. Can you honestly say that the Likud wants peace and not land? Honestly? What was that "Clean Break" document written for Netanyahu about?


Posted by: Tome at September 17, 2004 08:49 PM

More fallout as a result of religious hate mongering:
courtesy of Andrew Sullivan

TODAY'S GOP: Another classy tactic from Bush's GOP:
Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee warns West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November. The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED." The mailing tells West Virginians to "vote Republican to protect our families" and defeat the "liberal agenda."

To Jewish voters thinking republican:
Keep in mind that historically these appear to be similar to "slogans" observed in the months or years before a pogrom. Perhaps I am wrong... but whatever happened to separation of Church and State, one of the hallmarks of American democracy.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 17, 2004 08:55 PM

I certainly don't know enough to offer an opinion, but let me offer a question: What is the possibility that all this talk about armed resistance by the Gaza settlers isn't mostly positioning to enable the settlers to extract larger compensation payments from the government? I believe the Sinai settlers who had to leave after the Camp David agreements got something like $600,000 per family (in inflation adjusted payments) and I think that's about double the amount that's been bandied about as compensation for leaving Gaza.

In general, paying people to leave is an underappreciated approach to a lot of the geopolitical problems in the world.

Posted by: Steve Sailer at September 17, 2004 08:59 PM

"In general, paying people to leave is an underappreciated approach to a lot of the geopolitical problems in the world."

Or you could use the opposite tact. Tax them. Make them pay the same amount, $60,000 per year per household just to stay. Raise the taxes 5-10% per year. Forward those funds to some trustworthy arm of the UN or NATO to hold for a future Palenstinian state. Its an old landlord's trick but perhaps it would work.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 17, 2004 09:05 PM

The liberal economist in me loves the idea: stop subsidizing settlers--make the pay the actual costs associated with where they live. Security, roads, electricity, hospitalizations for those who are killed elsewhere because of the hatred they evoke.

The greatest barrier that Israel has is the inviolate wall of anti-semitism. The world never bemoaned the anti-white attitude the ANC had toward the Afrikaner--they applauded the erasure of a destabilizing, inhumane, and racist regime.

The only thing proping up the Israeli state is the fear that anyone who advances the same criticism will be tarred as a Jew hating bigot.

In simple national security terms, the Israeli/Palistinian conflict is the biggest threat to the United States. It is the single most significant motivating force in anti-western attitudes. Jews and Gentiles alike need to wake up to this reality, and soon.

Posted by: charles at September 17, 2004 09:48 PM

It is also worthwhile subscribing to the weekly newsletter at APN.

http://www.peacenow.org/index.html

Posted by: sofia at September 17, 2004 09:55 PM

The liberal offer of a two state solution is the new defense of a racially pure Jewish state. It's the same racist solution, and the jews aren't very 'pure'' anyway, especially the Ashkenazim, but the Germans taught them well.

The only moral choice is what there will be in the end anyway, after the crisis comes to a head: a single bi-national state. And Sharon is making that dream more of a reality every day.
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"The world never bemoaned the anti-white attitude the ANC had toward the Afrikaner"

But the ANC had whites in it's leadership. dude.

Posted by: seth edenbaum at September 17, 2004 10:12 PM

Sorry, no apostrophe in the possessive.
'its'

Posted by: se at September 17, 2004 10:20 PM

Hot off the campaign trail Kerry says:

"He won't tell us what congressional leaders are now saying, that this administration is planning yet another substantial call-up of reservists and Guard units immediately after the election," Kerry said. "Hide it from people through the election, then make the move."

The Bush campaign called the allegation of a secret plan "completely irresponsible ... false and ridiculous." The Pentagon (news - web sites) said troop replacements would include some from National Guard and Reserve units and those expected to be sent to Iraq had been notified.

Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, top Democrat on the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee and a former Marine who served in Vietnam, said he had learned through conversations with Pentagon officials that beginning in November, "the Bush administration plans to call up large numbers of the military Guard and Reserves, to include plans that they previously had put off to call up the Individual Ready Reserve."

BUSH WARS, CHAPTER III, INVASION: IRAN

Posted by: Manoppello at September 17, 2004 10:56 PM

The majority of Jews are voting for Kerry, and support two states, so I think the proBush element are just louder and frankly they are more well positioned in the Washington Establishment(think tanks, the Bush adminstration, and the lobbies) then the proBush prosettler kind. I also don't think they have more money on average. The prosettler Jews are Jewish conservatives and like most conservatives they are more upperclass. The two state solution majority, think rationally enough, but they are cowed by this loud powerful minority.

Posted by: Jenn at September 17, 2004 11:07 PM

Re Liberty The Palestians are never going to agree that Israel was a good idea. This doesn't make them and their supporters like Raimondo antisemites. Palestinians opposed it because it made them homeless. American Indians would probably have preferred that America not have been founded. Should we get anal about it? The best you can get is recognition of the present state. This equation of people who would have opposed it from the beginning(Palestinians) with antisemites is what makes it impossible to disguss things rationally.

Posted by: Jenn at September 17, 2004 11:12 PM

EDIT :The majority of Jews are voting for Kerry, and support two states, so I think the proBush element are just louder and frankly they are more well positioned in the Washington Establishment(think tanks, the Bush adminstration, and the lobbies) then the protwo states kind. I also think they have more money on average. The prosettler Jews are Jewish conservatives and like most conservatives they are more upperclass. The two state solution majority, think rationally enough, but they are cowed by this loud powerful minority.

Posted by: Jenn at September 17, 2004 11:15 PM

How about paying the Palestinians to accept Israel? Call it compensation, blood money, bribery. And who should pay it? Israel? She has neither the resources nor the moral responsibility? The oil sheiks? They have the resources but not the responsibility. The Americans? We are already paying through the gazoo. So who does that leave? Hint: Who started this mess in the first place?

Posted by: Luke Lea at September 17, 2004 11:16 PM

The American Jew/Israel disconnect is quite similar to the American Irish/Northern Ireland problem of ten years ago. The American side rarely understand the true situation on the ground in the home country and push for pure, hawkish solutions knowing full well they will never pay the inevitable price these policies may bring to those on the ground in the home countries.

Besides this, the American media is extremely bad (with the exception of the New York Review of Books) at covering social issues, on the ground, in Israel. The Francophone press is much richer in this aspect. It seems that the most thoughtful and interesting Israeli authors write in French. Here is an example of one of my favorites:

“Considering the gulf between the original goals of the Zionist movement and the current Israeli reality, one is tempted to conclude that the entire enterprise has been a failure. The homeland that Shimon Peres dreamed of was one that would ensure the entire Jewish people a “normal” national existence. Less than one quarter of the world’s Jews live there today, the rest, following the example of their ancestors in Egypt, prefer the fleshpots of exile. The founders wanted a haven of Salvation for all Jews, wherever they were. However, by a cruel historic irony, the founders had trouble assuring their own security, and Israel is currently the only place on earth where the physical presence of Jews finds itself threatened. They attempted to found a just and egalitarian society, at the ideological crossroads between the great emancipating ideas of the West and the prophetic humanistic Jewish tradition. Instead, Israel is mired in social polarization and the resulting frustration, and suffering cultural ethnocentrism, extreme forms national chauvinism and religious fundamentalism. They looked to offer Jews a decent place within the family of nations; perpetual war was instead the result. The Jewish state today resembles a huge armed ghetto, perched on a slight rise, its floodgates barely holding back a sea of almost universal condemnation...”

Elie Barnavi
Professor of History, Tel Aviv University
Former Israeli Ambassador to France

Posted by: Kevin at September 18, 2004 12:35 AM

Re:Luke Lea: How about paying the Palestinians to accept Israel?

The accepted Israel at Oslo. The intafada is happening because Israel won't allow them to have a state on the territories Israel is occupying and settling.

As for who started it? Are you referring to the UN?

Posted by: Jenn at September 18, 2004 12:58 AM

Plain talk..
It is obvious to any long time observer that the Israel/Palestine fight is about land, not Israel's right to exist. The first logical step to peace would be/has always been to get off the Palestine land.

Some of us here in the US evidently don't get the Palestine position....so I offer this...imagine the Israeli bible deed had been to say, South Carolina or Texas...how quick would they have been wiped out the first time they tried to "expand' into their neighbors land? Clue: You would be looking up Israel today in the footnote section of history.

There is no difference folks between the the "master race" theory and the "chosen people"
theory. Same game, different names. And in a US/Isr vrs. "the rest of the world" war of any type, we will lose. And the "rest of the world" is against both Israel and the US at this point. With good reason I might add.

Too bad...Israel was given every chance and billions upon billions of dollars for the past 56 years. They could have been an example to the world. Instead their greed and fanatism got the best of them. No country will ever/has ever thrived or even managed to exist as a democracy or any other type of society you would want to live in with an national identity based on the concept of victimhood or single/religion privilages.

Americans better take a good look at Israel, we could be headed in the same direction.

Posted by: Renfro at September 18, 2004 02:19 AM

The vast majority of Jews support Israel because of neurotic denial and tribal chauvinism. Israel is a crypto-fascist, apartheid, militarist "settler State" ruled by a military junta, and is arguably both the world's worst human rights abuser, and the greatest threat to world peace and stability. Yet, Jews of all political persuasions (save Norman Finkelstein, Michael Neumann, and a handful of others) go easy on it, or carp endlessly about the Sudan when the civilized world righteously condemns it. They're so afraid of being labeled a "self-hating Jew", and cling to their hollow delusions out of some unconscious belief in the chainlink fence theory of Jewishness (one link goes down, it all collapses). Any Jew who isn't actively seeking to undermine American support for Israel is complicit in war crimes. And, worse than any "good German." They, at least, had the luxury of ignorance.

Posted by: J.C. Constable at September 18, 2004 02:42 AM


Here's Juan Cole's take on the P/I conflict, I am not sure how any fair-minded person could disagree with his assessment:

"Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in remarks on Wednesday repudiated the American-sponsored "road map" to a peace process between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Sharon insists on acting unilaterally, intends to occupy the Palestinian population indefinitely, and intends to permanently incorporate much of the West Bank, conquered in 1967, into Israel, while leaving the Palestinian population stateless. They lack so much as a passport or a country, many of their children are hungry, unemployment is astronomical, and their lives are ruined by a dense network of Israeli roads and checkpoints that make it difficult even just to go to the hospital.

I am sure that most Americans are not even aware that Palestinians live under Israeli military occupation and that every day Palestinian territory shrinks as it is stolen by fanatical Israeli colonists. These fanatics do not differ in any obvious way from the French colonists in Algeria, which the French also proclaimed "French soil." But colonialism is just another word for grand larceny. (Most Americans would be appalled if the United States suddenly chased all the Iraqis out of Baghdad and brought in Americans to permanently take over their apartments and other property, instead. But that is an exact analogy for how the Israelis are behaving.)

There are several examples in the contemporary world of land-hungry states attempting to incorporate neighbors' territory into their own. You have the Chinese in Tibet, the Moroccans in the Western Sahara . . . and, well it is actually hard to think of a lot of recent such engorgements. But in each of these cases, the conquering state wants the people along with the territory. Tibetans have Chinese passports, and Saharans have Moroccan ones. But Israel isn't giving the Palestinians Israeli passports. It just wants their land, not them, and sets things up to try to force the Palestinians out of their homeland. It is an ongoing injustice, with Israeli colonization creeping forward. Even if Sharon does remove the small number (8000) of Israeli colonists from Gaza, he intends to resettle them in the West Bank, which is nicer real estate."

Posted by: Kevin at September 18, 2004 02:52 AM

"(Sharon) is preparing to withdraw from the hell that is Gaza, and he has conceded that a resolution to the conflict will require not only the creation of a Palestinian state but the renunciation of Jewish settlements in Palestine. Infamy! Reason!"

I'm not sure why Leon Wieseltier thinks Sharon has "renunciated Jewish settlements in Palestine". Plus, what does Sharon's vision of a "Palestinian state" look like? Just the other day the AP reported this:

Sharon: Israel Won't Stick to Peace Plan
By Associated Press

September 15, 2004, 4:07 AM EDT

JERUSALEM -- Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in an interview published Wednesday that Israel has no intention of sticking to the U.S.backed "road map" peace plan it endorsed last year.

Sharon also said that there may be no further troop pullbacks after Israel carries out its so-called unilateral "disengagement" from the Palestinians -- a withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and four small West Bank settlements in 2005.

"It is very possible that after the evacuation (disengagement), there will be a long period when nothing else happens," Sharon told the Yediot Ahronot newspaper, commenting for the time in detail on Israel's plans after a Gaza
withdrawal.

Asked whether he was talking about decades of standstill, he said: "It's impossible to say."

In the interview, Sharon was asked how his disengagement plan differed from a proposal by a former Israeli opposition leader, Amram Mitzna, who said last year that Israel should restart peace talks with the Palestinians by withdrawing from the Gaza Strip, including the isolated settlement of Netzarim there.

"Mitzna suggested something different, to start the Netzarim evacuation and to continue dismantling settlements, based on the road map," Sharon said. "This would have brought Israel to a most difficult situation. I didn't agree to this. Today, we are also not following the road map. I am not ready for this."

The road map, launched last year, envisioned a Palestinian state by 2005. The plan did not spell out the borders of that state, but senior U.S. officials have said that Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza must come to an end.

Sharon said that as long as there is no significant shift in the Palestinian leadership and policy, "Israel will continue its war on terrorism, and will stay in the territories (of the West Bank) that will remain after the implementation of disengagement."

President Bush has since said that it would be "unrealistic" to expect Israel to remove large Israeli population centers in the West Bank -- a statement seen by Sharon as backing for his plan to keep large West Bank settlement blocs in any future deal with the Palestinians.

Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat said Sharon's comments confirmed Palestinian concerns that the disengagement plan is a ploy to cement Israel's control over large areas of the West Bank. U.S. and European Union officials
have assured the Palestinians that they only back the disengagement plan as part of the road map.

"I think that those who saw the Gaza disengagement as an opportunity because they counted that it would be part of the road map should really understand that their good intentions are one thing, and that Sharon's good intentions are another," Erekat told The Associated Press.

"Sharon's intention is to destroy the road map and to dictate his long-term interim solution of Gaza as a prison and 40 percent of the West Bank within the wall, and this will not fly," he said.

Posted by: sofia at September 18, 2004 05:08 AM

“Considering the gulf between the original goals of the Zionist movement'

Kevin,
I wish someone could send your note to William Saffire, of the New York Times. If anyone lives in a fairy tale world of make believe when it comes to Israel he does.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 18, 2004 05:10 AM

Me thinks some of you proved Liberty's point of why American Jews are loathe to publicly criticize Israel.

Posted by: Curiosio at September 18, 2004 05:39 AM

Safire knows exactly what is going on in Israel. He just has the same outlook on the situation as Ariel Sharon.

Posted by: sofia at September 18, 2004 05:43 AM

Twice in three days, Palestinian Authority (PA) religious leaders have openly called for the genocide of Jews. Broadcast on official PA TV, both called for the murder of Jews until the Jewish people are annihilated. Both presented the killing of Jews not merely as the will of Allah, but also as a necessary stage in history that should be carried out now. To support these mandatory killings, both cited the same Hadith - Islamic tradition attributed to Mohammed - expressing Allah’s will that Muslims will kill Jews, before the “Hour” of Resurrection.

The words of the Hadith:
"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

Numerous times in recent years Palestinian religious leaders and academics have taught publicly that this particular Hadith applies today. This teaching may well be a dominant motivating factor that drives terror against Israeli civilians, because it presents the killing of Jews as a religious obligation, not related to the conflict over borders, but as something inherent to Allah’s world.

Note also the defining of Jews as "the brothers of the monkeys and pigs" in Maadi's religious lesson. PA religious leaders teach, based on a story in the Quran, that Jews were cursed by Allah and turned into monkeys and pigs. This is consistent with the PA teaching that the Jew's have inherent and unchanging character defects.
The Qur'an says this at Suras 2:62-65, 5:59-60, and 7:166.

Sheik Ibrahim Madiras Friday sermon, PA TV Sept. 10, 2004:
"The Prophet said: the Resurrection will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them. The Muslims will kill the Jews, rejoice [in it], rejoice in Allahs Victory. The Muslims will kill the Jews, and ... The Prophet said: the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!. Why is there this malice? Because there are none who love the Jews on the face of the earth: not man, not rock, and not tree everything hates them. They destroy everything they destroy the trees and destroy the houses. Everything wants vengeance on the Jews, on these pigs on the face of the earth, and the day of our victory, Allah willing, will come."

Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Maadi on his weekly TV show, Sept. 12, 2004:
"We are waging this cruel war with the brothers of the monkeys and pigs, the Jews and the sons of Zion The Jews will fight you and you will subjugate them. Until the Jew will stand behind the tree and rock. And the tree and rock will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."

Posted by: Aristotle at September 18, 2004 07:23 AM

Laura,
Here is a letter I received from Fritz Hollings February 4, 2003 regarding Iraq. Hollings drew tremendous fire from the Jewish right for his position. The point he makes, however, speaks oceans for Israel's centrality in the fomenting of the Iraq war. I think it bears consideration, if only to establish some perspective on how we got from there to here.
----
February 4, 2003


Dear Mr. ****
Thank you for taking the time to share with me your views on military
confrontation with Iraq. I appreciate knowing of your concerns and
opinions on this matter of grave importance.

In October, 2002, I voted for a Congressional Resolution authorizing
military force against Iraq. I concurred with the Administration that
Iraq was in material breach of the covenants they signed which ended the
Gulf War. Congress' passage of this resolution sent a strong message to
the United Nations Security Council that the United States will act if the
United Nations fails to bring Iraq back into U.N. compliance.
Subsequently, the United Nations took action dispatching an emergency
weapons inspection team to Baghdad.

I am not optimistic that the inspectors will find anything. Iraq poses a
direct threat to its neighbors, mainly Israel, not to the United States.
If Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction on the scale alleged by the
Bush Administration, Israel would act unilaterally to eliminate the risk,
just as they did when they struck the Iraqi nuclear site at Osirik in
1981. We should give the weapons inspectors time to finish their
inspection and resist any compulsion to strike preemptively.

With kindest regards, I am

Sincerely,


Ernest F. Hollings
United States Senator

EFH/bah

------

Hollings' conjecture is enlightening. But the fact that no one with a clear view of what was happening dared to speak out against the pro-Israel lobby is abundantly clear.

Peace.

Posted by: alan at September 18, 2004 07:51 AM

I think Sofia is right, Safire knows exactly what he is doing. You see, the Right thrive on conflict, they lose power during times of peace. Perpetual war means perpetual Likud. How pissed off were the Republicans when the USSR crumbled right in front of their eyes and suddenly they had Clinton on their hands. That's why we hear about a never-ending war on terror, the Right are banking on a never-ending reign of terror over the pocketbooks of the working and middle classes of America.

Posted by: Kevin at September 18, 2004 07:57 AM

Aristotle,

Germany today announced that it was going to reoccupy France after a search of archives revealed that two mid-level members of the collaborationist Vichy regime government had actually called for the liquidation of all Germans (il faut tuer tous les Boches). The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously to back the German claim, citing the well known international law statute that allows an occupying army to stay “in perpetuity” if two members of the collaborationist (aka quisling) occupied government call for genocide against the occupiers. French President Jacques Chirac personally flew to New York to vote for the resolution stating, “a law is a law, Marshall Petain always told his people that not more than one governement official was allowed to call for genocide.” Berlitz stock doubled today on the New York stock exchange as Parisiens flocked to book places in German language courses.

Posted by: Kevin at September 18, 2004 08:17 AM

Nice piece laura.

For years, I have heard assurances from Isreal's left-moderates, and from American Jewish friends on the left, that I shouldn't worry too much about the settlements; that 99% of the settlers were just there for economic reasons, and that they could simply be bought out at the crucial time in order to get a workable peace agreement. This is the excuse we've heard since 1967 for the failure by the center-left to more vigorously oppose the peace-poisoning settlers movement.

These recent events have given the lie to this line of thought. But I don't see a "civil war" coming, becuase it's the same insidious facts-on-the-ground dynamic we've had for decades. The fanatical hard-core Zionist settlers may be deplored by some, but few soft-core Zionists would actually be willing to fight them. So we'll get more of the very sincere, but ultimately ineffective, hand-wringing and tut-tutting that people like Wieseltier are expert at, and then the liberals will re-establish their equilibrium and assure us that it is no longer "realistic" to work toward a peace agreement that requires a significant amount of settlers to be removed.

But if they had been paying attention they would know that the Israelis have *never* been willing to make a significant, more than cosmetic, move concerning the settlements, as journalistic accounts of Barak at the Camp David meetings make abundantly clear.

And I assume that when bands of settlers begin to engage in vigilante-style transfer operations and ethnic cleansing raids, the left will deplore them too without actually doing anything about it.

Posted by: Dan Kervick at September 18, 2004 10:07 AM

"But if they had been paying attention they would know that the Israelis have *never* been willing to make a significant, more than cosmetic, move concerning the settlements, as journalistic accounts of Barak at the Camp David meetings make abundantly clear."

Try reading some first hand accounts, Dan, like in Dennis Ross' new book, not third or fourth hand journalistic reports. I'm no more a fan of the settlements than you are, believe me, but weaving myths about how nothing serious was on the table when Barak was prime minister doesn't help the situation either.

And it's not even as simple as the "was it a 'generous' offer or not" narrative that's dominated public discussion of the 2000 peace talks ever since they happened. I thought I understood the circumstances surrounding Camp David and afterwards pretty well from having read lots of accounts from all sides, but reading Ross' book made me realize how little I understood the details. Esepcially the Camp David conference itself, which really does require a good 60-70 pages in a book to explain completely, as Ross does. No journalistic account can come anywhere close to explaining what happened there--much of Ross' book felt to me like I was getting more details filled in about things I already understood at a basic level, but I was constantly surprised as I read the Camp David chapter by how clueless I was about what really happened there.

Posted by: Haggai at September 18, 2004 10:35 AM

Dan,

Nice analysis, it's clear, if nothing else, that at least Israel and the US have one thing in common, a totaly weak and pathetic liberal/center-left.

While I would certainly agree with you statement;

"The fanatical hard-core Zionist settlers may be deplored by some, but few soft-core Zionists would actually be willing to fight them."

if Labour were in power, the fact is that it's not the softies that are pushing for a full Gaza and partial West Bank withdrawal, it is Ariel Sharon's wing of Likud. I do believe he is serious about it.

Just like in Algeria with the French, if there is to be a civil war in Israel, it will be Right on Right, Sharon vs. Netanyahu with Labour on the side "hand-wringing and tut-tutting"

Posted by: Kevin at September 18, 2004 11:06 AM

I haven't read the Wieseltier article because I'd rather die than subscribe to TNR. I take it many others on this thread feel the same way, since no one has attempted to analyze it.

But don't forget, Weiseltier was a signatory to the PNAC letters urging first Clinton then Bush to rush to regime change in Iraq. Consequently, his article should be read with great exegetical care.

Posted by: else at September 18, 2004 11:18 AM

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/latimes300.html

Ex-Sailor Had Access to Naval Data in Terrorism Case

Posted by: Raised Eyebrow at September 18, 2004 11:48 AM

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/latimes300.html

Ex-Sailor Had Access to Naval Data in Terrorism Case

Posted by: Raised Eyebrow at September 18, 2004 11:48 AM

So, so true about The New Republican-maker

Wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

GOP propoganda dressed up in sheep's clothes.

Posted by: Kevin at September 18, 2004 11:51 AM

Haggai,

I'm in the midst of reading Ross's account. But I would also recommend reading *Shattered Dreams* by Charles Enderlin and *The Truth about Camp David* by Clayton Swisher. Both books go into the negotiations at the Camp David meeting itself in great detail - much more than 70 or 80 pages in each case - and are based on first hand accounts from the participants. I especially admire Enderlin's unvarnished style; he lets the participants speak for themselves without getting in the way.

Frankly, I have more confidence in the objectivity of people like Enderlin and Swisher who know how to get the whole story by putting together the reports of numerous participants, than I do the the account of a single participant in the events like Ross, no matter how thorough he tries to be. I think Ross is an honest, decent and fair-minded fellow, who is doing his best to see the whole picture. But he is an interested party and participant, and thus more likely to indulge in special pleading. I found his recent television series on the conflict to be very Israel-centric. But I realize that's only my personal judgment.

Posted by: Dan Kervick at September 18, 2004 02:14 PM

I can't remember where I came across it, but I once read that there is an expression often used in Israel to describe the approach of the Israeli left: "shoot and cry".

Posted by: Dan Kervick at September 18, 2004 02:19 PM

In answer to Laura's question about why American Jews can't think straight about Israel, I would recommend Peter Novick's extremely thought-provoking The Holocaust in American Life, in which a serious historian brings documentation and rare insight to bear on the way in which the holocaust emerged in the consciousness of Americans Jews no earlier than the '60s and progressively achieved the status of both incomparable crime, sole source of group identity and a very particular extra-American American monumentality, e.g. the Mall in Washington.

Posted by: else at September 18, 2004 02:29 PM

Dan, I saw the PBS documentary that accompanied Enderlin's book. I haven't seen any really meaningful difference in the factual accounts between that and what Ross has said, or even much difference with the famous NY Review of Books article by Malley and Agha. The only differences are in the interpretations of who was more or less at fault, the lessons to be learned, etc. I don't think that any of them characterized what Barak was willing to do on settlements as "cosmetic," as you said (nor did any of them say it was overwhelmingly "generous," as most Israel partisans say, but I don't see those as being the only two possibilities), but I guess we just have a different take on things.

Posted by: Haggai at September 18, 2004 03:52 PM

re: J.C. Constable


Good God, worse than the Germans? now that doesn't actually contribute to rational disgussion. They would have to throw them into camps and kill a fourth of them, to be that bad.

Posted by: Jenn at September 18, 2004 05:36 PM

I posted a response on my blog, which I've reproduced here:

Laura touches upon the key predicament, but doesn't follow it through to its troublesome conclusion. The problem isn't that American Jews are "out of touch" with the situation in Israel, but that they were never in touch to begin with. Ever since Israel was founded, American Jews have been fed an idealized and almost ethereal image of what "Israel" represents courtesy of the ceaseless efforts of synagogues, organizations like AIPAC and the American Jewish Congress, and youth-oriented groups such as BBYO and Hillel.

Namely, Israel is always depicted as a virtuous (i.e. blameless) David surrounded by menacing Goliaths. However much this image may have been accurate in 1948, this conception has little to do with the current reality, particularly since the 1980s. Nevertheless, the belief that Israel is the eternal victim, and that the goyim and the Arabs are responsible for any misfortunes still exerts a tremendous hold on American Jews. This is because the aforementioned organizations do a tremendous job in "filtering out" information that would upset Israel's perpetually angelic reputation in the American Jewish community.

The net result is that most American Jews simply have no idea about what's going on in the Mideast. Most obviously, they are simply unaware or in denial regarding the Israeli occupation and its poisonous byproducts, such as Jewish-only access roads, confiscation of Palestinian land, and the dehumanizing checkpoints throughout the West Bank. The horrific spectre of Palestinian terrorism, of course, makes this self-delusion easier to bear.

More insidiously, most American Jews are kept in the dark about Israel's internal crises, such as the increasingly volatile relationship between the politically potent and largely Sephardic religious minority and the secular, Ashkenazi majority, or the emergence of a non-Jewish underclass of exploited "guest workers" from far-flung places such as the Philippines. To peer into these cleavages would shatter the long-cherished fiction held by American Jews that Israel is united against its menacing foes. As with the conflict with the Palestinians, the influential American Jewish organizations make sure that these internal tensions are deemphasized or ignored.

Getting back to the original post, this is why Laura's law student acquintance at Rosh Hashanah was oblivious to the ominous situation with the settlers. American Jews have been conditioned to unquestioningly "support Israel" for so long that nothing--not the assassination of a prime minister by a Jew, not the indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians, and not the growth of a fascist/Messianic vanguard movement in the West Bank settlements--will shatter their romanticized and highly distorted conception of "Eretz Israel."

Posted by: Yuval Rubinstein at September 18, 2004 05:48 PM

It's a problem for American Jews and non-Jews alike, pitting conflation vs discriminating analysis. Opposition to Israel takes such hideous forms that reasoned opposition to specific Israeli issues - settlements, the clean breakers, the neo-cons' aggressive efforts to engineer regime changes in Iran & Syria - based on refined analysis, is too easily smeared by conflated association with anti-Semitism and outright terrorism. The Likudniks who accuse all opposition of being anti-Semitic cast a chill on debate. Non-Jews are reluctant to risk being accused of Anti-Semitism, so it is easier not to discuss Israel's perceived faults. There is a real need for open debate on this subject. It feels like our freedoms, of speech, religion, even against a police state, are in jeopardy.
Doppler

Posted by: Doppler at September 18, 2004 06:42 PM


Doppler, I agree with everything you said, very much. And that freezing of discussion of these issues has in the end done nothing to serve Israelis' security interests.

Posted by: Laura at September 18, 2004 06:52 PM

I think we have to be careful with a term regarding Israel that is thrown around so casually.

"The only democratically elected government..."

That this is a special brand of democracy, is never mentioned.

To be in the cabinet or Prime Minister one must be an ex-military commander with a very few minor exceptions).

The military background of the government accounts for their primary method of addressing all problems - the military solution.

Further this "democratically elected government" is unique in that it was set up to favor, support, promote and defend the interests of ONE national echnic group over the interests of all other groups.

This is a rare democracy, indeed. We need to be keenly aware of this difference if we believe using facts is the way to a solution.

Sons

Posted by: Sons at September 18, 2004 07:22 PM

Many Israelis, including Israeli soldiers, do not favor the military means to crush the Palestinians.

Over 400 soldiers are branded as "Refusniks" for refusing to serve in the occupied territories. This includes airmen who refuse to drop their indiscriminate bombs on civilians.

These resisters of conscience are jailed repeatedly by the government to break their will. They pay a heavy price.

We read very close to nothing about them in the US press. Yet, the press should write stories about these Israelis because it shows some of those pulling the trigger on Palestinians think that is wrong and refuse to take part.

Americans need to know this. But somehow, it is filtered out completely.

Sons

Posted by: Sons at September 18, 2004 07:35 PM

To pick up Sons first post about this singular democracy: This is a democracy without a constitution. One might pretend, as some do, that the model is British. As it happens, the Israeli constitution was never ratified because the definition of nationality proved problematic. But, perhaps you can all help me out: What has become of the Knesset? I only very occasionally see references to it in the Israeli press with regard to some social issues. Where hard core decisions like disengagement from Gaza is concerned, though, shouldn't that be put to a vote? Why was a referendum held only within Likud? Not that we aren't seeing a similar shift of power in the US, what with secret presidential findings and week-end executive orders...

Btw The headlines in Europe this week-end read: US LOSES CONTROL OF IRAQ.

Posted by: else at September 18, 2004 08:12 PM

Laura - I think it must be easier for Jewish Israelis to debate Israeli policies than it is for Jewish Americans. One obvious reason is that Jewish Americans are more often confronted with ignorant malice from non-Jewish demonizers of Israel. I've even noticed some speciments on your own message board. As an earlier poster suggested, an entire debate can become toxic this way even when some of its participants are well informed and well intentioned. I think your own post was wonderful, but a number of your commenters also demonstrate the problem.

Posted by: Occasional Reader at September 18, 2004 08:55 PM

Here's the whole piece for those who don't subscribe:



WASHINGTON DIARIST
Extirpation
by Leon Wieseltier

Post date: 09.17.04
Issue date: 09.27.04

Faced with the intention of the Sharon government to destroy settlements in the land of Israel and to deliver them into the hands of the enemy, to extirpate settlers, and to expel them by violence, we declare that this extirpation and this expulsion is a crime against the nation and a crime against humanity, an expression of cruelty, wickedness, and imperiousness, which is designed to deny the rights of Jews to live in their land because they are Jews. We determine that the purpose of the Israel Defense Forces is to defend against the enemy and not to conduct operations against Jewish citizens. The IDF is the army of the people and not the army of a political group." These fiery propositions (I translate them from Haaretz of September 10) appeared in a statement issued last week by luminaries of the Israeli right, including a legendary soldier of Israel's early years and a variety of Benjamin Netanyahu's relatives. It also calls on Israeli troops "to heed the call of their national conscience and their human conscience" and refuse to serve in any action against any settlements, and on "the intended victims of the expulsion," the settlers, "not to cooperate with the machinery of expulsion, not to accept reparations, [and] to oppose the extirpation actively but without harming anyone of their own nation, even though they have come to destroy the homes in which they live."

God's vanguard is anxious. It is contemplating the prospect of historical failure. Its erstwhile savior, Ariel Sharon, who seems finally to have been impressed by the strategic threat to Israel that is posed by Palestinian demographics, and perhaps also to have advanced in his understanding of the relationship of peace to security, is preparing to withdraw from the hell that is Gaza, and he has conceded that a resolution to the conflict will require not only the creation of a Palestinian state but the renunciation of Jewish settlements in Palestine. Infamy! Reason! And so the settlers and their patrons are beginning a battle, so far only of ideas. Their fury is useful, since it reveals the extent to which they have departed from the moral and historical good sense of their society.

The evacuation of settlements on the West Bank a "crime against humanity"? Jews should not be so wanton with the term. We have more than a rough idea of what a crime against humanity looks like. The end of Ofra and Elon Moreh and Itamar and Bracha and Tappuah would be a crime only against the plans and the fantasies of the men and women, giants in their own eyes, who live there; and worse things can be imagined, much worse. These "victims" flatter themselves when they virulently liken their opponents to the agents of radical evil; but eschatology and narcissism go back a long way. And when they warn of "a crime against the nation," they employ the idiom of nationalism at its very rankest. The implication is that it is treason to differ with them. This is linguistic violence.

Then there is the tender appeal to rights. Is the abandonment of the settlements really "designed to deny the rights of Jews to live in their land"? But the settlers do not wish only to live on the ground where Jacob dreamed and Joseph was buried, they wish also to rule it. A purely spiritual excitement, of the sort that Jewish pilgrims to these places found for many centuries, is not enough for them. They seek sovereignty. Their metaphysics must be consummated with their politics. It is certainly the case that the right to Nablus and the right to Tel Aviv is the same right--a right, after all, pertains to the whole; but the Palestinians have this right too, which is why the partition of the land, territorial compromise, the wisdom of the founders of the Jewish state who prevailed over the ideological ancestors of the indignant irredentists of today, remains the only answer, because it signifies an agreement to suspend the rhetoric of rights, which is the rhetoric of war.

"To defend against the enemy and not to operate against Jewish citizens": these are xenophobic definitions, according to which the enemy can never be Jewish citizens. The IDF is not the "army of the people," it is the army of the state. But the state of Israel has never been as vivid to the settlers as the land of Israel. In the historiosophy of the dirt-worshippers, 1948 was just a step toward the climax of Jewish history that they represent, and the secular and sensible (and securityobsessed) heroes of 1948 were just the messiah's useful idiots. The signatories' care for their own kind is evidenced also in their admonition to the settlers not to hurt "anyone of their own nation." This is supposed to establish their ethical delicacy. The impression is somewhat dispelled, however, by their distinction between "national conscience" and "human conscience": were national conscience to contradict human conscience, it is not hard to guess which they would obey. Extirpation and expulsion is what some of them have in mind for others. For the radicals in the territories, some lives have always been worth more than other lives. Jewish lives trump Arab lives, and it is considered a sign of weakness to show a scruple about the justice of such a discrimination, the mark of a girlie Jew. But the truth is that the radicals are even crueler. They do not love all members of their ethnos equally. Some Jewish lives are worth more than other Jewish lives. The life of the Jewish man who wants to keep the Sabbath in a sea of Palestinians is more valuable than the life of the Jewish soldier who dies to protect him. Why else would the settlers allow so many fellow Israelis to perish in their defense? It is hard to look at the falsely meek, Torah-clutching Jews of Gush Katif without despising them as the most selfish Jews of their time.

No, the settlements are not the sole obstacle to peace; but they are an obstacle, and they are "our" obstacle. No, the Palestinians are not yet keen for diplomacy, too many of them are still betting on bombs and babies, but this suits the Israeli right fine. Under cover of Palestinian folly, it proceeds with its folly. Netanyahu says that a referendum must be held before Israeli disengagement from Gaza, but I do not recall that a referendum was held before Israeli engagement in Gaza. Then, as now, policy was made by a democratically elected government. But these days the head of such a government is denounced as "the dictator" in the streets and menaced by Kabbalistic curses and extremist plots. Extirpation and expulsion: You would think that Ariel Sharon were Hadrian, or Ferdinand, or the Czar. There are grounds for dread.

Leon Wieseltier is the literary editor of TNR.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 18, 2004 09:33 PM

September 18, 2004

Rove Also Avoided the Draft
"Except for a lapse of several months, Selective Service records show presidential adviser Karl Rove escaped the draft for nearly three years at the height of the Vietnam War using student deferments," the Salt Lake Tribune reports.

According to a friend, Rove's opposition to the Vietnam War "was political. He considered the conflict a 'political skirmish that was not being properly administered.'"

Posted by: Manoppello at September 18, 2004 09:46 PM

Occasional Reader states:

"Laura - I think it must be easier for Jewish Israelis to debate Israeli policies than it is for Jewish Americans. One obvious reason is that Jewish Americans are more often confronted with ignorant malice from non-Jewish demonizers of Israel. I've even noticed some speciments on your own message board. As an earlier poster suggested, an entire debate can become toxic this way even when some of its participants are well informed and well intentioned. I think your own post was wonderful, but a number of your commenters also demonstrate the problem."

Perhaps, but your comment begs this question. Which nation's troops are dying in the Middle East, and for what cause? The Israeli army is not in Afghanistan or Iraq ostensibly fighting the war on terror. It is United States forces leading the multi-national force. Although the Israeli force faces such opponents daily, Israel and its annex of Jerusalem may be the singular major reason why terrorists have such a popular following in Moslem countries. Osam Bin Laden and others have never failed to assert that their major grudge against the US is its support of Israel at the expense of Jerusalem and the Palenstinians.

Can you give me at least one good, not-religious reason why Israel's capital should be Jerusalem instead of Tel Aviv? And if religion is the only justification then why shouldn't it then be the capital of an Islamic state, for that matter of a Christian state? After all isn't that why the Crusades where fought, to save the Holy Land? Maybe the Pope should move the Vatican?

Ignorant malice? Even a cretin with a low IQ could figure out that there is something wrong with this. Hoc est Riduculum!

Posted by: Manoppello at September 18, 2004 09:55 PM

Cotinued from Occasional Reader's comments:

Finally, I think that Jewish American and Jewish Israeli's tend to be too biased, too close the situation. William Sapphire is a good example of that...

Posted by: Manoppello at September 18, 2004 09:57 PM

Laura,

Not to spoil everyone's fun at attacking and defending Israel, but have you seen this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/19/wniger19.xml

The Italian businessman at the centre of a furious row between France and Italy over whose intelligence service was to blame for bogus documents suggesting Saddam Hussein was seeking to buy material for nuclear bombs has admitted that he was in the pay of France.

Posted by: Liberty at September 19, 2004 06:52 AM

Wieseltier's article should be read very attentively. It is an outrageous use of the rhetoric of righteous indignation essentially to the end of defending Sharon's policies, and hides beneath a posture of brooding moral concern a multitude of falsehoods. First, note the coy attribution of the settlers' statement to "a variety of Benjamin Netanyahu's relatives," in common parlance, his father, the historian Benzion Netanyahu (who simultaneously published a piece in Ha'aretz claiming that anyone who still thinks or speaks of Oslo is not a rational creature). Wieseltier situates the problem in a "renunciation of Jewish settlements in Palestine." But, of course, that is not true. Major settlements are to remain in the West Bank and large housing developments are currently under construction. Only "the hell that is Gaza" is presently at issue, Gaza, which has been "hell" for decades. What Wieseltier will not say is that this renunciation constitutes a flagrant volte-face on the part of Sharon, who has been responsible for the implantation of settlements ever since Rabin (I believe) entrusted him with the portfolio. Consequently, the sense of betrayal on the part of the settlers is not incomprehensible. But, what is this strange toying with the concept of "rights"? Wieseltier suggests that only the settlers wish to translate the "spiritual excitement" of living on this land into "sovereignty" and "rule." What then is the Jewish State? He claims that Nablus and Tel Aviv fall under the "same right -- a right, after all pertains to the whole." Well, a jurist would be very surprised, as would the UN; deeds have always been doled out to protect parcels. At the same time, Wieseltier does concede that the Palestinians have their right too, but concludes quixotically, that the confluence of rights requires the suspension of the "rhetoric of rights." This implicit contempt for rights, whether legal or natural, is pure neoconservatism. Probably, the only truth in this savvy hodge-podge is Wieseltier's opening acknowledgement that "God's vanguard is anxious. It is contemplating the prospect of historical failure." But this recognition of the demographic reality in Israel/Palestine and the consequent paroxysm it has entailed takes on apocalyptic proportions when stated in this way. As for the "dictator," you will notice, he escapes without commentary, generously reduced by comparison to appealingly human size.

Posted by: else at September 19, 2004 07:32 AM

Correction: To the withdrawal from Gaza, I should have added removal of some settlements from the northern portion of the West Bank.

Wieseltier misleads the reader on one other and certainly more basic point: He presents Sharon as now having "conceded that a resolution to the conflict will require not only the creation of a Palestinian state but the renunciation of Jewish settlements in Palestine." A Palestinian state, then and, it is implied, the removal of all settlements.

However, Sharon's New Year's interviews tell another story:

"In an interview with the Yediot Ahronot daily, Sharon outlined his long-term vision for the region, saying that after the withdrawal [from Gaza], "it is very possible ... there will be a long period when nothing else happens...Sharon said that as long as there is no shift in the Palestinian leadership and policy, "Israel will continue its war on terrorism and will stay in the territories that will remain after the implementation of disengagement."

Wieseltier had this information at this disposal when he wrote about the settlers' manifesto. One reason why Americans, and not just Jews, are so ill-informed is that journalists like Wieseltier very conscientiously perpetuate ethically acceptable illusions, a.k.a. propaganda.

Posted by: else at September 19, 2004 10:27 AM

Sharon said that as long as there is no shift in the Palestinian leadership and policy, "Israel will continue its war on terrorism and will stay in the territories that will remain after the implementation of disengagement."

Else - For Wieseltier to be as deceptive as you claim he is you must be assuming that the Palestinian leadership will continue to endorse a war of terror over non-violent means of protest and/or that Sharon intends to make sure that they are through various provocations. Unless I'm missing something Sharon's statements don't rule out further disengagement from the West Bank when Palestinian Leadership ceases its terror war.

Posted by: Liberty at September 19, 2004 11:05 AM

Sharon's position that Palestinian legal (Israeli military target) and/or illegal (civilian target) resistance justifies Israel's illegal occupation is creative to say the least. If a burglar breaks into my house and starts helping himself to my possessions, can he really later tell the police, when they show up, that he has every right to be in my house because I keep using violence to try to forcibly evict him?

Through out history there have been some pretty wild claims made by occupiers to justify their illegal presence in someone else's country, but this one has to top them all.

Posted by: Kevin at September 19, 2004 11:47 AM

Laura,

I think Senator Kerry is remiss in using his earliest campaign tact that inferred Mssrs. Bush and Cheney were both incompetent and irresponsible. Apparently, the army is having serious problems maintaining troop strength in Iraq. And the possibility exists that they will be asked to stage some sort of military campaign against Iran as well!

Intel Dump as more:

http://www.intel-dump.com/

"This Guard unit was put on an accelerated training schedule — giving the soldiers about 36 hours of leave over the past two months — because the Army needs to get fresh troops to Iraq, and there are not enough active-duty or "regular" troops to go around. Preparation has been especially intense because the Army is short-handed on military police units, so these artillerymen are being quickly re-trained to provide desperately needed security for convoys. And to fully man the unit, scores of soldiers were pulled in from different Guard outfits, some voluntarily, some on orders. "

Posted by: Manoppello at September 19, 2004 12:43 PM

Liberty,

I will scan the Italian newspapers and see what I can find out about this Italian businessman.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 19, 2004 12:47 PM

Liberty -- In his New Year's interview with Ha'aretz, Sharon said he would not follow the "roadmap," and he would soon attend to Arafat -- the specific "treatment" was not yet determined (sorry, I don't have a direct quote handy, although the word "treatment" caught my eye). I think we can safely say that he is proceeding unilaterally, and the bit about "a long period when nothing else happens" does suggest the acceptance of a walled-in status quo. I make no assumptions whatsoever about the Palestinian leadership. But, neither does Wieseltier. And it is Wieseltier's exposition that I am analyzing. He confines his discussion to Sharon vs. the settlers, explicitly advancing the idea that Sharon now envisions a Palestinian state and withdrawal from the West Bank. That is what we all want to hear or read, but it is baseless.

Posted by: else at September 19, 2004 12:55 PM

Jeff Goldberg had a NYT oped a few months back that made the case that Sharon is threatening for the right-wing settlers precisely because his unilteral withdrawal plan is unilateral, e.g. does not depend on Arafat, who is considered unreliable. Therefore, it has much greater likelihood of actually happening.

Posted by: Laura at September 19, 2004 02:53 PM

I think it is more worrisome what will happen on the Palestinian side in the eventual withdrawal of Israeli forces and settlements from Gaza.

And Else, I made a similar point up-thread about Wieseltier's statement; "and he (Sharon) has conceded that a resolution to the conflict will require not only the creation of a Palestinian state but the renunciation of Jewish settlements in Palestine. Infamy! Reason!"

Huh??

w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m

Last update - 01:15 19/09/2004
Palestinians arming up for Gaza `withdrawal day'
By Ze'ev Schiff

Various Palestinian security organizations in the Gaza Strip have redoubled efforts to get weapons and ammunition before the IDF withdraws from the Strip and the settlements are evacuated. The units buy arms and ammunition from smugglers bringing them into Gaza from Egypt by tunnels under the Philadelphi road.

Every Palestinian organization represented in Gaza is making preparations for `withdrawal day,' and each group is making ready for several scenarios, including one of clashes.

A great deal of effort is also being put into obtaining various types of weapons and ammunition and some of the organizations have direct or indirect control of the tunnels used to smuggle arms.

Others are willing to pay high prices to those who actually smuggle the arms into Gaza. The price of arms has recently increased greatly, after the Egyptians brought in measures to thwart the smugglers. Israel has expressed satisfaction at these but has stressed that they alone are not enough and have called for an even more vigorous policy.

Defense sources say intelligence so far clearly shows that arms smuggling by Palestinians into Gaza, primarily via the Sinai peninsula and under the Philadelphi route are at an all-time high. In the 18 months from January 2003 to and July 2004, around 4,900 Kalashnikov assault rifles, 330 anti-tank devices, 33 shells of various caliber and five machine-guns have been smuggled into the Strip. In addition,two tons of explosives and around 380,000 bullets have been illicitly brought into the Strip.

Despite the Egyptian efforts, it is clear that smuggling still goes on. It does appear Egypt is making a serious effort to prevent the Palestinians from smuggling strategic weapons, such as military-grade Katyushas with a range of 20 kilometers or portable missiles capable of shooting down Israeli helicopters.

If the Palestinians were to lay their hands on such weapons, the entire situation in the Gaza Strip and surrounding area could deteriorate in one fell swoop, forcing Israel to use massive force, which would inevitably lead to civilian casualties.

In meetings between Egyptian and Israeli officials, the Israelis explained the dangers of such a deterioration. The first meeting of the two security delegations was held in Israel. The second will be held in Egypt at the end of this month. By then the Egyptians hope to have completed their round of meetings with the Palestinian factions.

On the Palestinian side, the Egyptians have been holding meetings with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, while Yasser Arafat is still considered the main interlocutor of the Palestinian Authority.

Even though Egypt's demands from Arafat include dates by which he is supposed to complete his part in the preparations for an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, Cairo does not define these dates as a deadline. The dates have been mentioned in three Egyptian requests to Arafat, the last on September 1.

Posted by: sofia at September 19, 2004 04:43 PM

Kerry has been completely consistent
Iraq. In a 12/6/03 Rolling Stone interview he said:

"I voted for what I thought was best
for the country. Did I expect Howard
Dean to go off to the left and
say, 'I'm against everything'? Sure.
Did I expect George Bush to f - - -
it up as badly as he did? I don't
think anybody did."

Posted by: Bart at September 19, 2004 04:51 PM

Else has very skillfully dissected Wieseltier’s, Sharon=Begin propaganda piece. From Wieseltier’s shadows on the wall, we, the “liberal” targets of this article, are tasked to divine what the puppets who cast these shadows are actually up to.

Next year, 2005, is set to be a watershed year in the Middle East. Time is no longer on Israel’s side, economic and demographic problems are starting to weigh on Sharon’s mind. The Palestinians are weak and divided, while the Americans more compliant than ever imagined. The goal will be massive population shifts. Gaza’s the easy part. How to get both Israelis and Palestinians marching towards their allocated sides of the new “security barrier” while avoiding both a civil war and World War III, is the task.

The plan has its roots in the Algerian crisis of the early sixties, with a few modifications of course. Ariel Sharon will be reprising Charles de Gaulle, only this time aiming for much better (short-term) results than the Frenchman was able to deliver. Benjamin Netanyahu gets the best role. Why the settlers would put their trust in a former prime minister to lead their rebellion is a mystery to all. His role is one part Che Guevara to three parts General Raoul Salan, leader of the Algerian “Generals Putsch” and eventual leader of the OAS, the most ruthless (and strategically hapless) terrorist organization ever. Unfortunately the Algerian resistance group, the FLN assiduously avoided any “cult of personality” so no single leader was put forward, it was revolution by committee, never wavering in its demands, and in the end accomplishing most. What's clear is that this leaves Yasser Arafat without much of a role to play.

It was one thing for the United States to have a civil war when they were bordered by well-behaved Canada on one side and a recently vanquished Mexico on the other. Even as France flirted with civil war in the early sixties over Algeria, it was not as if the Germans were going to come marching over the Ardennes again. But for Israel to engage in a civil war, given its present location, would be an existential threat of the first order.

Americans grow up watching simplistic cartoons featuring endless dichotomous conflicts. As children, not much choice is allowed as too which side to root for, but as they get older, they prefer having a not too complicated choice between the two. The Left will be given Ariel Sharon, statesman, peacemaker, long and dear friend to the Palestinian cause. Oh, it will take some explaining, that’s why articles are already appearing. Next month it will be rumors from Oslo of a possible Nobel Peace prize. Repeated enough times in the right journals, argued by trusted authorities on Television, by the time things get started, liberals will be sure that the names Sabra and Shatila belong to performers in the latest girl band from Israel.

The Right in the States are in no need of months of intellectual foreplay before they accept their man. Bibi’s it, simple as that.

Bibi’s task is to keep the settler’s guns quiet during the early stages of the operation. Months and months of newspaper articles of the (quite real) dangers of civil war will convince them to give non-violence a chance. It will play well in the US to boot, they all love Martin Luther King over there now. Passive resistance will be the settler’s response to the first wave of decolonization in Gaza.

Two to three weeks of this internal Israeli struggle, settlements cleared, people dragged kicking and screaming, all played out on live TV, IDF soldiers pushed to the brink, but violence at a minimum. Then the Event will occur. False flag operation or foolishly timed Hamas attack, in the end, it’s just not that important. Let later generations debate between Mossad’s deviousness and Palestinian incompetence. What matters is that a large group of colonists, involuntarily uprooted, on the move and vulnerable, are attacked and slaughtered by terrorists. It’s Malcolm X time in settler land. Sharon is viciously attacked from the right, he is to blame for showing weakness in the face of the enemy. Running from terrorists. The response is as simple as it is quick and Arafat lies dead in the rubble of his destroyed office.

A few days later, passions are starting to subside and it happens again. This time it's an outlier West Bank settlement, mortars are fired, homes are ablaze and the survivors flee for their lives. The IDF is stretched too thin, it can no longer provide security to outlying, exposed settlements. The terrorists are coming, the settlers are evacuated to the safety of the security fence until the situation settles down and the IDF can retake the settlements.

Bibi and his boys have seen enough. In as orderly a fashion as possible, they concentrate on the areas between the ’67 borders and the security fence. All the Arabs need to go. Killing as few Palestinians as possible, they methodically go village by village, house to house, loading them on trucks, and sending them on their way to new refugee camps further along the road to the Jordan river.

Who can blame the settlers? They had resisted peacefully, even after being provoked, but everyone has their limits, and even after they started the evictions, they had killed far fewer Arabs than Arabs had killed Jews. The debate in the US centers around whether Bibi should have resisted violently from the start or not, passions are aroused, but in the end everyone concludes that he it's too bad he couldn't be the next US President.

The outlier settlements are never retaken, Gaza is abandoned and the Palestinians are left wondering whether they should be celebrating a victory or ruing another defeat.

Posted by: Kevin at September 19, 2004 04:56 PM

Kevin - Is that scenario generated from your imagination or did you get that from someplace?

Where is Hezbollah in all this?
What's happening in Iraq, Iran, and Syria while all this is occurring.

What happens when all the dust settles?

Posted by: Liberty at September 19, 2004 06:51 PM

Sofia -- You did indeed point to Wieseltier's offering to the liberal imagination: a Palestinian State and renunciation of the settlements. I suspect that "Infamy! Reason! is an instance of a sudden shift to the indirect third-person, the rhetorical device by which the narrator projects him/herself into the character in question, here the settler. The article is really very baroque.

Kevin -- Your projection of events to come is not all that off the wall. It does seem to conform to the manipulation during the France/Algeria debacle of the '60s. And, indeed, the situation continues to this day. For years, the French radio has announced the number of women and children whose throats have been cut during the night and no one has ever known who the perpetrators were, fundamentalists or the government -- perhaps both. FWIW, Debkafile indicates that Sharon ordered the preparation for the evacuation of Gaza during his cabinet meeting today. The IDF and Shin Bet began screaming that taking the 9,000 settlers out would entail full military mode and a large number of civilian casualties. I didn't get the part about its provoking an avalanche of heavy weapons into the hands of Hamas. But that would certainly credit your scenario. What happens if... the Palestinians get the point and lay low?

Posted by: else at September 19, 2004 07:28 PM

In "Sharon's Wars" a rather long, mostly flattering piece on Sharon by James Bennett (August 15, 2004), Bennett(until recently NYT Jerusalem bureau chief) had this to say about Sharon's intentions:

"It is Ariel and the other giant settlements like it that Sharon is bidding to retain forever by giving up Gaza. The big blocks protect the strategic heights and the priceless aquifers beneath them that he most cares about, and they wall off Jerusalem. They also would break up any Palestinian state into pieces that could be easily monitored, and if necessary controlled, by Israel. From Ariel Heights, you can look to the east and see the pattern. Outposts are growing on each hilltop to link a zigzagging chain of Israeli settlement across the West Bank to the Jordan Valley. Sharon would like to hold onto half the West Bank, one of his top aides said, but does not expect to be able to keep that much in the end."

http://query.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F30F17FA35580C768DDDA10894DC404482

Posted by: sofia at September 19, 2004 07:57 PM

http://www.panorama.it/italia/criminalita/articolo/ix1-A020001026172

Liberty,
Here is a Fellini-esque story I hope you enjoy:

"Rocco lo Spione" : Rocco the "Big" Spy.

[Again, no guarantees on the translation... :-)]

by Pino Buongiorno (Panorama)

Un breve ingaggio nei servizi segreti italiani e poi tanti anni di truffe e imbrogli nel sottobosco degli agenti free lance. Finoal 1999, quando il sessantenne ex carabiniere venne messo sotto contratto dagli 007 francesi. E sull'uranio che sarebbe stato acquistato da Saddam costruě per loro un falso dossier. Costato molti guai a Tony Blair e George W. Bush.

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L'ultimo contatto lo ha avuto a metŕ luglio. "Va bene, tronchiamo ogni rapporto, ma datemi almeno gli arretrati che mi spettano per le informazioni che vi ho fornito".

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Era disperato negli ultimi giorni Rocco Martino, 66 anni, calabrese di Tropea, un breve passato nel Sid, da dove fu licenziato senza tanto onore, e in seguito spia free lance disposta a vendere tutto a tutti. Sapeva di avere i giorni contati anche con i nuovi datori di lavoro: la Direction générale de la sécurité exterieure (Dgse), la versione francese della Cia e del Sismi. Per la precisione il suo controllore lavorava sotto copertura all'interno dell'ambasciata di Francia a Bruxelles, al numero 65 di rue Ducale. Da questa rappresentanza diplomatica, per cinque anni, dal 1999 al luglio 2004, su ordine della centrale di Parigi, Martino ha ricevuto uno stipendio fisso, che nell'ultimo periodo ha toccato i 4 mila euro, i rimborsi spese piů i fondi straordinari per pagare la rete di informatori oltre ai premi di produzione. «Niente, si chiude e basta, abbiamo pagato tutto il dovuto» ha tagliato corto l'agente dei servizi segreti francesi.

Rocco Martino, (66 years old, from Tropea in Calabria, "spent" a brief time in the SID, where he was unceremoniously fired, with a segue into ' free lance' spying disposed to sell everything to everybody), was desperate in these last few days.

Qualche giorno piů tardi, sentendosi bruciare il terreno sotto i piedi, Martino ha accettato di farsi intervistare da due giornalisti del Sunday Times di Londra, dopo che un altro del Financial Times lo aveva rintracciato un mese prima. Appuntamento sempre a Bruxelles, nome in codice Giacomo, una valigetta zeppa di cartelline con tante fotocopie dentro e un cd-rom presentato come esplosivo, una dichiarazione perentoria per precostituirsi un alibi in vista dei piů che probabili guai giudiziari futuri: «Č stato il Sismi a usarmi per disseminare i documenti falsificati che dovevano servire a dimostrare che Saddam Hussein aveva tentato di comprare uranio dal Niger per le sue bombe nucleari».

I was able to retrace his steps from a few months before, some days ago, feeling the earth burn beneath his feet, Martino accepted an interview with two journalists from the Sunday Times of London, after that another with the Financial Times. Always an appointment in Brussels, code name Giacomo, a briefcase full of papers, with numerous photo copies inside, and a cd-rom packaged like an explosive, a preemptory declaration for prefabricating an alibi in view of the probability there would be more troubles guiding his future. "The SISMI happened to use me in order to disseminate the falsified document that they had to serve to demonstrate that Saddam Hussein had attempted to buy Uranium from Niger for his Nuclear bombs."

Ecco a voi Rocco 'o spione, come lo chiamavano i suoi vecchi colleghi di Forte Braschi, il quartier generale prima del Sid e poi del Sismi. Quest'ex ufficiale dei carabinieri, dal portamento elegante, dai baffi ben curati, dagli abiti ricercati, ha diffuso le 17 pagine di documenti sulla compravendita di uranio fra Niger e Iraq, vendendoli prima agli agenti francesi e poi tentando di piazzarli, anche in tempi recentissimi, ad altre ambasciate straniere in Italia e in Belgio. Ha cercato di coinvolgere nell'ottobre 2002 anche il settimanale Panorama. Ma, se alcune spie e qualche politico americano gli hanno creduto, non si sa con quanta buona fede, non cosě ha fatto il nostro giornale che non ha mai dato molto credito a quei fogli, tanto č vero che č stato facile per la giornalista che li aveva ricevuti dalle mani di Martino, Elisabetta Burba, accertarne la falsificazione dopo uno scrupoloso lavoro di verifica effettuato in Niger.

Here he was, 'on their doorstep', Rocco or the "big" spy, as his old colleagues at Fort Braschi, (general headquarters of SID and then of SISMI), had come to call him. This ex official of the carabinieri (constables), of graceful elegance, mustache well trimmed, and expensive attire, had distributed the seventeen page document on the sale of Uranium between Niger and Iraq, selling them first to French agents, and then intending to 'sell them in the middle of the public square "piazza" , even in recent times, to foreign ambassadors in Italy and Belgium. He sought to include the weekly magazine Panorama in October 2002. But, who knows if some spies and any American politician believed him with any amount of good faith. This was not the case with our journal, it never lent much credibility to those papers, given that it was so easy for the journalist, Elizabeth Burba, to get them from the hand of Martino, who assured me of the falsification after scrupulous work effecting a verification in Niger.

Quelle stesse carte sono state trasmesse per una valutazione all'ambasciata Usa di Roma e, da qui, inviate successivamente al dipartimento di Stato e alla Cia. Nessun diplomatico americano in Italia ha mai risposto alla richiesta di chiarimenti avanzata dalla direzione di Panorama, ma di fatto «Monsieur Patacca» e il suo dossier sono entrati in un circuito perverso di guerre fra bande di 007 ed esponenti politici nei palazzi di Washington, tanto da provocare il famoso scandalo del «Nigergate»: sia George W. Bush sia Tony Blair sono stati accusati di aver utilizzato quelle pillole avvelenate per fornire una delle giustificazioni dell'operazione «Iraqi Freedom». E allora č bene indagare a fondo su questo personaggio che ha destato anche la curiositŕ della procura di Roma.

Those same papers were transmitted for appraisal to the US embassy in Rome and, from there, dispatched to the Department of State and to the CIA. No American diplomat in Italy responded to a request for enlightenment forwarded from the direction of Panorama, but in fact, 'Monsieur Patacca' and his dossier entered a perverse 'circuit' of war between '007' groups and espionage politicians in Washington government agencies, enough to provoke the famous scandal of 'Nigergate': George Bush and Tony Blair were accused of using those 'poison pellets' to form a justification for the operation 'Iraqi Freedom'. And then it managed to point out that this person had awakened the curiosity of the District Attorney of Rome.

I pm vorrebbero ascoltarlo, ma non lo trovano all'indirizzo del suo domicilio, via Casal de' Ceveri numero 8, a Formello, vicino a Roma. Né risulta presso la sua residenza ufficiale dal dicembre 1989, rue Hoehl a Sandweiler, in Lussemburgo. Anche l'Fbi, su richiesta del senatore Jay Rockefeller, vicepresidente della commissione Intelligence del senato americano, ha aperto un procedimento per accertare «la responsabilitŕ dei falsi e in quale misura quei documenti contraffatti fanno parte di una campagna di disinformazione a piů ampio raggio». Di Martino si sta occupando infine anche il comitato di controllo parlamentare sui servizi segreti.

They wanted to talk to him, but they did not find him at his home address, via Casai de' Ceveri number 8, in Formello, which is close to Rome. Of his residences the one that was his official residence from December 1989, was Rue Hoel, Sandweller, in Luxembourg. Also the FBI, on a request from Senator Jay Rockefeller, vice chairman of the Intelligence commitee in the American Senate, opened a case to ascertain "the responsibility for the false documents, and what measured part those counterfit documents played in widening a campaign of disinformation." Ultimately, Martino began worrying about the Parliamentary committee that oversaw its Secret Services.

C'č una costante nella vita di quest'uomo: sono i debiti. Ne ha sempre fatti e continua a farne anche oggi che non si fa trovare. Fu assunto nel 1976 dal Sid e giŕ un anno dopo fu allontanato per «difetto di comportamento». Sotto quella formula si celava il risultato di un'indagine amministrativa sulla montagna di cambiali che aveva accumulato. Non č mai stato uno stinco di santo. Nel 1985 i carabinieri gli misero le manette ritenendolo colpevole di estorsione ai danni del direttore di un'agenzia del Banco di Santo Spirito a Roma, al quale aveva chiesto ingenti somme di denaro spacciandosi per un emissario delle Unitŕ comuniste combattenti. Tre anni dopo, sempre i carabinieri lo fermarono mentre si aggirava con fare sospetto davanti all'ambasciata del Marocco. Si giustificň dicendo che stava svolgendo una missione per conto del Sisde, il servizio segreto civile. I guai con la giustizia non si fermarono. Nel 1993 fu arrestato in Germania perché trovato in possesso di assegni provenienti da una rapina alla filiale calabrese del Banco di Sicilia. E il 29 febbraio 2002 sempre i carabinieri di Roma lo hanno denunciato per falso.

There is a constant in the life of the man: there are the debts. He always made them and even today continues as if there is no tomorrow. He was hired by the SIS in 1976 and already after one year he was removed for 'defects in behavior'. Under this formula, he concealed the results of an administrative investigation under a mountain of bills that he had accumulated. He was never a saint. In 1985 the constables put the handcuffs on him holding him culpable for extortion for damages to the director of an agency of the Bank of Santo Spirito in Rome, from which he had asked to skim a sum of money ruining the director that was being used to fight an emissary of the Unitŕ communist party. Three years later, as always the constables stopped him after he made a suspect of himself by circling the Morrocan embassy. He justified this by stating that he was in the midst of a mission on behalf of the SISDE, the civil secret service. Troubles with the law did not cease. In 1993, he was arrested in Germany because he was found in possession of bank checks accrued from the robbery of a Calabrian affiliate of the Bank of Sicily. And on February 29th 2002 as always the constables of Rome denounced him as a criminal again.

Eppure, nonostante questa fedina penale assai poco rassicurante, non ha mai smesso di bazzicare negli ambienti dei servizi segreti utilizzando tesserini alterati: ne aveva uno del vecchio Kgb e un altro della non meglio precisata Security development organization, Intelligence office di Bruxelles. Innanzitutto continuň a frequentare i colleghi italiani. Agli atti del comitato parlamentare di controllo risultano «contatti e collaborazioni occasionali» con il Sismi e, probabilmente, anche con il Sisde fino all'inizio del 1999. Per un certo periodo ha lavorato anche come consulente della divisione che a Forte Braschi si occupa della proliferazione delle armi di distruzione di massa. La rottura ufficiale fu sancita nei primi mesi del 1999 a causa della sua «inaffidabilitŕ», come č stato riferito ai parlamentari italiani.

Yet, despite this penal felony he was hardly discouraged, in the backyard of the secret services he used false passports, never curbing his counterfitting; of these he had one from the old KGB and another that was not very accurate from the Security Development Organization of the Intelligence Office of Brussels. Above all he continued to network with his Italian colleagues. According to the parliamentary committee of control these acts resulted in 'contacts and occasional collaboration" with SISMI and, probably, with the SISDE up to the end of 1999. Over a certain period he had worked as a consultant for the division within Fort Braschi that was keeping track of the weapons of mass destruction. The official break was sanctioned in the first months of 1999 because of his 'infidelity' as it was related to the Italian Parliamentarians.

Sta di fatto che, allontanato dal Sismi, Rocco 'o spione perse il pelo, ma non il vizio. Andň a far visita prima a un vecchio conoscente del Mukhabarat egiziano in Italia e si offrě come esperto di movimenti terroristici islamici in Europa. Molto piů proficuo e duraturo il rapporto con gli agenti francesi, iniziato a Roma, ma proseguito a Bruxelles, proprio perché la Dgse non voleva guastare le relazioni amichevoli con il Sismi. Martino assicurň di saper tutto sull'Africa e sui traffici di armi convenzionali e non. E il controllore di Bruxelles chiese all'informatore italiano di attivarsi per ottenere ogni tipo di notizia sull'eventuale contrabbando di uranio dal Niger, una delle ex colonie francesi, dove le miniere erano sotto la giurisdizione di due societŕ, la Cominak e la Somair, entrambe controllate dal gigante minerario francese Cogema.

Given the fact that, he was estranged from SISMI, Rocco the "Big Spy" shed his skin, but not his vice. He went to pay a visit to an old acquaintance in the Egyptian Mukharbarat in Italy and
he offered him his services as an expert on Islamic terrorist movements in Europe. Much later a advantageous and lasting relationship with French agents, began in Rome, but was pursued in Brussels, assuredly because the DGSE did not wish to disturb friendly relations with the SISMI. Martino assured them he knew everything about Africa and the trafficking of conventional and non-conventional arms. And his handler in Brussels asked the Italian informer to obtain every type of news on on references to contraband Uranium from Niger, one of the ex colonies Francesi, where mining was under the jurisdiction of two societies, the Cominak and the Somar, both controlled by the gigantic French mining company Cogema.

Martino non se lo fece ripetere due volte e bussň alla porta dell'ambasciata del Niger a Roma, al numero 10 di via Antonio Baiamonti, dove aveva conosciuto una funzionaria italiana. I primi rapporti informativi si rivelarono preziosi per l'intelligence francese che tornň alla carica con Martino per tutto il 2000: «Abbiamo bisogno di ulteriori riscontri e informazioni piů dettagliate». Rocco partě in quarta anche perché i francesi gli misero sotto il naso decine di milioni per comprare i funzionari e i diplomatici del Niger, uno dei paesi piů poveri del mondo. All'epoca l'ambasciata del paese africano era retta dal primo consigliere Zakaria Yaou Maiga in quanto l'ambasciatore Adamou Chékou si trovava piů spesso a Niamey che a Roma. Sarebbe stato proprio il consigliere Maiga, dopo l'estate del 2000, a fabbricare il dossier che fu consegnato a Martino. L'informatore a contratto dei francesi, dopo il via libera da Parigi, pagň cash.

It did not have to be repeated twice to Martino and he soon was knocking at the door of the embassy of Niger in Rome, number 10 via Antonio Balamonti, where he met an Italian functionary (female). The first informative discourses revealed themselves to be the most precious for French Intelligence compared to that obtained from all of the appointments with Martino in 2000. "We need additional confirmation and more detailed information". Rocco departed paid also the French put 10 million under his nose to buy the functionaries and diplomats of Niger, one of the poorest countries in the world. At this time the embassy of the African country was being run by first counselor Zakaria Yaou Maiga in as much as Ambassador Adamou Chékou found himself more often in Niamey than Rome. It was counselor Maiga, after the summer of 2000, that fabricated the dossier that was consigned to Martino. The informer contracted by the French paid cash after getting clearance from Paris.


Quei documenti raccontavano una storia verosimile, sulla quale stavano accumulando materiale da tempo anche l'Mi6 britannico e il Sismi. Tutto nasceva dall'improvvisato tour africano che nel febbraio 1999 aveva portato l'ambasciatore dell'Iraq presso il Vaticano, Wissan Chawket Al Zahawie, in alcune capitali africane, fra cui Niamey, per una non meglio precisata missione commerciale, favorita da un uomo di affari algerino, un tale Baraka. Dal momento che il Niger esporta pochi prodotti agricoli e tantissimo uranio, fu elementare intuire il vero motivo di quel viaggio. Nell'autunno del 2000, quando Bush non era stato ancora eletto e la guerra in Iraq era di lŕ da venire, Martino cominciň a parlare di quel dossier anche con altri interlocutori sia italiani sia stranieri. Prima di diffonderli perň occorreva precostituirsi una versione di comodo. Ecco che nella notte fra il 1ş e il 2 gennaio 2001 un misterioso furto avvenne nell'ambasciata del Niger a Roma e nella residenza del consigliere. Doveva servire a dimostrare che erano scomparsi alcuni timbri e la carta intestata.

These documents recounted an improbable story, from these both the British MI6 and SISMI accumulated material. All of it was born as a result of an improvised African tour in February 1999 made by the Iraqi ambassador, Wissan Chawket Al Zahawie, to the Vatican to some African capitals, among them Niamey, for a supposed commercial mission, a favorite of a man in Algerian affairs, one such as Baraka. At that moment Niger exported very few agricultural products and lots of Uranium, elementary intuition seemed to give the true motive for the mission. Bush had not been elected and the war in Iraq was yet to come, Martino began to speak of the dossier to other
interlocutors, possibly Italians possibly foreigners. Before distributing them he needed to prefabricate a version that fit. There, at night, between the first and second of the January 2001 a mysterious thief came to the embassy of Niger in Rome and into the residence of the counselor. It was shown that some letterhead and seals were missing.

Con le fotocopie dei presunti accordi segreti fra Niamey e Baghdad nella sua inseparabile valigetta Martino pensň di aver trovato l'oro che non aveva mai avuto. Anche perché la campagna sulle armi di distruzione di massa stava cominciando a montare. A Londra Blair il 24 settembre 2002 parlň per la prima volta dei tentativi di Saddam Hussein di ottenere l'uranio dall'Africa. E qualche tempo dopo lo stesso Bush cominciň a battere il chiodo sullo stesso argomento. La doccia fredda arrivň il 7 marzo, alla vigilia dell'invasione dell'Iraq, quando a Vienna Mohammed El Baradei, il direttore generale dell'Aiea, rivelň che i documenti sulla vendita di uranio «non sono autentici». Chiunque al posto di Martino si sarebbe messo l'animo in pace. Ma lui non era un tipo del genere, alla ricerca disperata com'era di soldi per coprire gli ammanchi. Impunito fino all'incoscienza, si presentň in piena bufera «Nigergate» all'ambasciata inglese a Bruxelles e cercň di piazzare le solite 17 pagine. I diplomatici avvertirono immediatamente Londra e poi il Sismi, a Roma. Ancora un paio di mesi fa, Rocco Martino č tornato alla carica: questa volta con il «rezident» dei servizi segreti russi a Roma. Prima gli ha scritto una lettera e poi ha telefonato. A Villa Abamelek nessuno ha risposto.

With photocopies of the presumptive secret accords between Niamey and Baghdad in his inseparable briefcase Martino thought that he had found the gold that he had never found before. Mostly because the campaign of arming for the destruction of the weapons of mass destruction had begun to be mounted. In London Blair spoke on September 24th for the first time on the attempts of Saddam Hussein to obtain uranium from Africa. And some time Bush began to drive in the nail using the same argument. The cold shower arrived on March 7th with on the eve of the invasion of Iraq, when Vienna Mohammed El Barandei,, the director general of the AIE, revealed that the documents on the sale of the Uranium were not authentic. Everything in its place for Martino, he probably should have put his soul at rest. However, he was not that sort of personality, once it was determined how desperate the money situation was for covering the shortfalls. Punished to insensibility, he presented himself, during the full storm over "Nigergate" to the English ambassador in Brussels seeking to pawn the usual 17 pages. The diplomats immediately advised London and then the SISMI in Rome. In addition, a couple of months before, Rocco Martin again attempted another appointment: this time with the "rezident" of the Russian secret service. First he wrote a letter and then telephoned. No one responded at Villa Abamelek.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 20, 2004 01:53 AM

Liberty,
First part in earlier post did not make it...

"Rocco lo Spione" : Rocco the "Big" Spy.

[Again, no guarantees on the translation... :-)]

by Pino Buongiorno (Panorama)

Un breve ingaggio nei servizi segreti italiani e poi tanti anni di truffe e imbrogli nel sottobosco degli agenti free lance. Finoal 1999, quando il sessantenne ex carabiniere venne messo sotto contratto dagli 007 francesi. E sull'uranio che sarebbe stato acquistato da Saddam costruě per loro un falso dossier. Costato molti guai a Tony Blair e George W. Bush.

Briefly engaged by the Italian Secret Service and then many years
of racketeering and swindling in the underground of free lance (rogue) agents. In 1999, in his sixties, the ex carabinieri (police) was placed under contract by the French 007. And he constructed a false dossier about uranium that was acquired for Saddam. Creating alot of trouble for Tony Blair and George Bush.

L'ultimo contatto lo ha avuto a metŕ luglio. "Va bene, tronchiamo ogni rapporto, ma datemi almeno gli arretrati che mi spettano per le informazioni che vi ho fornito".

The last contact I had with him was in the middle of July. "Okay, I am cutting all ties, but at least give me the backpay that belongs to me for the information I furnished."

Posted by: Manoppello at September 20, 2004 01:55 AM

After reading about Rocco Martno I am now wondering about something that friendly fire brought up...

What economic benefit would invading Iraq, Iran, this area have to the US and UK... is there a scenario that might seem quite threatening to the French and Russians in terms of economic and political influence. What sort of effect would converting from accepting dollars to Euros in all oil sales have? How would a 'superstate' secular, or non-secular that merged Iraq and Syria or Iran and Iraq ... or perhaps Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, and Kuwait, affect the US/UK economically? The rational given for this would of course be to create an anti-Israeli bloc alla Nasser... however could there be a hidden economic agenda?
Is there a hidden economic agenda other than the obvious... annexing the oil (stealing it). Besides that are there other possibilities?

Posted by: Manoppello at September 20, 2004 02:02 AM

Liberty,

Certainly a product of my imagination, it’s actually an outline of a best-case scenario for Israel in its attempt to partially pull back (and in some cases push forward) from the occupied territories. My scenario relies on two major assumptions. First, that Sharon and Netanyahu will, at the very least, put in place some “fire blocks” that will keep any internecine Israeli conflict from spiraling out of control, or at best, they will be choreographing their moves to allow Netanyahu a better chance to co-opt settler anger to avoid any potentially disastrous uncontrolled vigilante terrorism from the Israeli side. The second assumption is that the Israelis will have in place a successor regime for the post-Arafat Palestinian entity, perhaps a far more discreet Chalabi-type individual, or some wealthy family, with whom they can very secretly coordinate to insure that the necessary Event occurs at the right time. This terrorist attack would serve to both discredit the old regime (Arafat) and set in motion the population shifts, therefore it must be a false flag operation in which one side commits an atrocity in order to discredit another. The second task for the Palestinian leadership group would be the ethnic cleansing of the settlements that Sharon deems unviable, this would certainly be done overtly (i.e. in the Palestinian group’s own name) in order to help this group gain legitimacy, in the eyes of the Palestinian masses, as the only fighters to ever role back the Jewish presence in the West Bank. Perhaps some of the newly created Arab refugees could be housed in the former settlements, further adding to the tit for tat ambiance.

You mentioned Iran, which is an excellent point. My guess is that there is a relationship between future events and the current posturing concerning Iran’s nuclear program. It is my opinion that Iran already has the bomb therefore it is next to impossible to rid them of it. Perhaps it will be the US’s role to distract Iran during this period by threatening air strikes and so on, raising the general temperature so that the Iranians don’t feel confident enough to risk making any symbolic responses to the Israeli actions in the West Bank.

As for Iraq, this will be occurring just about the time the Iraqi insurgents take over the Green Zone in Baghdad, so they will too busy celebrating and converting the American embassy building into a Museum of the National Resistance to care much about the West Bank

Damascus could be taken by three troops of Israeli boy scouts armed with wrist rockets mounted on their Schwinn Stingrays, so I doubt we will hear too much from President Assad on this one.

Hezbollah is a totally different story. They are a true threat to Israel and must always be taken into consideration. It’s important to recall that Hezbollah’s primary raison d’etre was to expel Israeli troops from Southern Lebanon, which they accomplished with workman-like efficiency, targeting almost exclusively Israeli military, and unlike the Palestinians, avoided high-profile and highly ineffective “glamour” terrorism where airplanes are hijacked or Olympic athletes are massacred live on television. Their second purpose, somewhat paradoxically, is to represent a non-state type (fourth generational warfare) threat to Israel for Iran and Syria. The amount of direct control is debatable (see Adam Shatz’s excellent series on Hezbollah in the NY Review of Books), but there is no doubt that action between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah is at least coordinated.

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Posted by: Kevin at September 20, 2004 05:49 AM

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Posted by: Kevin at September 20, 2004 06:48 AM

Thank you for the Italian translation Manoppello. Will follow this story as it unfolds.

Thank you for the follow up Kevin. For a related analysis see this article at http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=907

Posted by: Liberty at September 20, 2004 07:50 AM

Else,

Like I said above, Israel will have to make some deal with their own Chalabi or Allawi type led group. Supposedly Allawi's INA blew up a busfull of children in Iraq during their "Bay of Goats" attempted coup in 1996. They tried to blame it on Saddam and all that but the plot fell apart.

We will see about the all this civil war talk. I just finished reading about the Spanish Civil war, these things tend to get real ugly once they go past a certain point. Let's hope that's not the case here.

Posted by: Kevin at September 20, 2004 08:24 AM

Kevin -- The support that the illustrious, US-connected Netanyahu family has lent to the settler brouhaha strongly suggests that your ravings, like King Lear's, have an undeniable relationship to the overall plot. All that we can say for the moment is that the New Year ushered in a well-oiled noise machine. Here's what Tom Segev says about it today in Ha-aretz:

"However, in their struggle against the dismantling of the Jewish settlements in the territories, the opponents to the plan are depicting the imposed evacuation as "expulsion," "transfer" and "a crime against humanity." The meaning of the claim is clear: If it is permissible to expel Jews, it is also permissible to transfer Arabs. The same rule applies to Netzarim and to Taibeh, they argue again and again and pose a challenge to the left: Wouldn't you lie down on the roads to prevent an evacuation of Taibeh?"

"Permissible to expel" will become the basic sound bite.

Whether Palestinian society has anything like the equivalent of Allawi, I don't know. To my very limited knowledge, it has generated no political parties and no secret police apparatus. Does the CIA own anyone in Ramallah? Are there thug-like emigres abroad? A Palestinian contingent in London? Where's the army to provide a strong-man general? Just look at the members of the PA parliament; the descendents of old Palestinian families are highly cultivated and weak. Could the Isrealis buy someone in Hamas?

Posted by: else at September 20, 2004 09:48 AM


The missile in the photo with this article is the Luna-2 short-range ground-to-ground missile, known to NATO from Soviet times as FROG-7, which Iran has developed as its Zelzal-2/Mushak-200. In the hands of Iran’s Lebanon-based Revolutionary Guards, it has extended the Iranian-Hizballah’s missile range due south to Israel’s coastal cities of Haifa, Hadera and Netanya. The missile, its launchers and infrastructure are well-hidden in special storehouses in the port town of Sidon in the care of Revolutionary Guards specialist teams. A Lebanese urban center was chosen for their hiding places to reduce the weapon’s vulnerability to an Israeli air strike. With Tehran already issuing operational orders to the Palestinian Hamas fundamentalist terrorist group, it is only a question of time before these missiles are transferred to the Gaza Strip, so bringing southern Israel, Tel Aviv and the cities in between, such as Rehovot, Rishon Lezion and Ashdod, within striking range.

This looming menace finally drove Shin Beit Director Avi Dichter and IDF chiefs this week to openly challenge prime minister Ariel Sharon’s plans for the removal of Israeli settlements and military units from the Gaza Strip in the framework of his disengagement blueprint.

According to DEBKAfile’s military sources, Zelzal-2/Mushak-200 is 8.3 meters long with an estimated range of between 100 and 400 km – effective most probably at 200 km. It is armed with a 600 kg warhead. Iran is known to have developed chemical and biological payloads but not to have located them in Lebanon. On the other hand, intelligence sources estimate that Syria has perfected the right chemical warheads for attachment to the Zelzal missiles deployed in Lebanon and they can be fitted within hours. These weapons may be delivered through the Palestinian gunrunning routes from Sinai into the Gaza Strip whenever the rulers of Iran and Syria so decide.

Israeli security chiefs fear that the Hizballah, aka Iran, is already shipping 240mm Katyusha and Iranian Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 rockets across the Mediterranean to northern Sinai. Egyptian security authorities, who are similarly concerned by the heavy weaponry Iran is landing on their territory, are known to have seized one delivery of Katyusha 220mm upgraded to 240 mm before it was smuggled into the Gaza Strip. But there is no knowing how much was not intercepted before reaching destination.

In readiness for their post-disengagement schemes, Tehran and Damascus have ordered Hamas to veto any Egyptian or other programs for securing the Gaza Strip after Israel’s evacuation. The military and defense chiefs in both Israel and Egypt have concluded that the implementation of against Sharon’s evacuation plan will open the door wide to Gaza’s transformation into a second South Lebanon in the heart of Israel.

Continued at http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=907

Posted by: Liberty at September 20, 2004 09:57 AM

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I'm not so up to speed on Palestinian power structure, but what I would guess is going on is that after ten years or so of security cooporation between Israel, the PA and sometimes the CIA, there would have been more than ample oppertunity for certain individuals or families within the PA to make it clear to the Israelis that they could work with them in exchange for very covert assistance in taking over power after Arafat.

As for Hamas, even though Mossad helped fund them in their early days to try to break up the secular leftist Arafat's grip on power, I doubt that Hamas would knowingly cooporate with Israel.

2005 is really going to be interesting.

Posted by: Kevin at September 20, 2004 10:35 AM


Relatedly

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/479167.html

Posted by: Liberty at September 20, 2004 10:58 AM

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Liberty,

This is why the United States / UK and the Big 4 would be the best candidates for ensuring middle east peace and for dealing with terrorists. US satellites are capable of detecting these activties within minutes. Since Iran has now taken steps to join the nuclear club (and because they appear to be in the neo-cons plans) that reconnaissance has probably been increased dramatically. I think the senate and congress **may** now have learned what Jimmy Carter stated; HUMINT intelligence can be unreliable and duplicitious. But unfortunately necessary... it is best used ancillary to ELINT, for additional corroboration, to pick up leads, and as you have seen, to give away key codes.

The best example may be the very first example: the US had obtained intelligence from HUMINT source that the Russians were putting missle silos in Cuba. They decided not to fly the U2 over Cuba because the Gary Powers spy plan scandal had cost the US in many ways. Having another U2 shot down over Cuba was unacceptable without solid evidence for risking that sort of reconnaissance. The US decided the launch Corona satellites first to determine if they could be used to detect Soviet activities. It was the very first truly functional satellite, it did not just go "bleep" in the night, and as such it was still new and untried. It worked and worked well. Then the US sent in the U2's for reconnaissance. The US still doe not admit to this day that these satellites were used during the Cuban missle crisis. The fact that it was the very first effective use of a spy satellite during a crisis has yet to be declassified.

The US anti-terrorism forces would seek to stop the Iranians from giving technology to Hamas. If they did put such launch platforms up in the Gaza, this, like the Cuban missle crisis, would be considered an act of war against the United States and NATO. Because, those missles would be operated by terrorists who might launch them at Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and even NATO allies in Europe. That would be unacceptable and, this time, a very good reason for an operation such as 'Iraqi Freedom'. if US / UK forces are able to go to Iraq, they are quite capable of missions in Palestine and Gaza. I believe there would be strong support for this in both the military establishment and publicly.

Therefore, in a Macchiavelian sense, the disengagement makes sense for Israel. If the Iranians/HAMAS staged this activity it would be detected by the NSA, perhaps causing not just the United States, but NATO to go to war against Hamas, Syria, and Iran. Because this time they would have the 'smoking gun'.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 20, 2004 02:36 PM

"Your projection of events to come is not all that off the wall. It does seem to conform to the manipulation during the France/Algeria debacle of the '60s."

Kevin,

Very good story, and exceptionally well written!

But have you taken into account the fact this is now a regional conflict. That means it is really just one step away from the WWII scenario you broached. How do the insurgents react in Iraq if Arafat is killed? How will the terrorists and the rest of the Islamic world react if a groups of extremists (west bank and Gaza settlers) decide to capture the temple and Dome of the Rock mosque? How will the Americans react? The British? The French? The Russians? What will Iran do? Does the theocracy really have a national goal of pushing Israel into the sea? Or is that just the sort of rhetoric that now seems necessary in order to maintain secular power in many countries in the Middle East? What happens if Israel attempts to attack Iran? Possibly missile attacks aimed at their nuclear facilities? Israeli aircraft will likely not be permitted to fly over any Arab airspace to attack Iran. Many of the countries in the area have upgraded their air forces. The potential exists for interdiction by the Saudi, Iranian, Jordanian, and yes, US aircraft. The US military would shoot down Israeli planes if they believe that an attack would directly affect the security of gournd forces in Iraq. The neo-cons would be overruled by the Joint chiefs. So missiles would be their best and really only option.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 20, 2004 07:12 PM

As a casual observer, the US/Israel favorite is Mohammed Dahlan. He is a bit of a "strong man" and certainly corrupt.

On the other hand, really don't think there is a Palestinian who could and would play the role of a Palestinian Allawi. Do not think the Palestinian groups will fire on evacuating settlers and doubt there will be a civil war in Israel over the Gaza withdrawal.

Think most of the violence in any withdrawal from Gaza will be between the IDF and the Palestinian groups, both attempting to make the point of who "won", and between the Palestinian factions jockeying for power. As far as the WB, suspect the status quo; ie. Israel will continue building it's wall/fence and expanding the settlements.

Posted by: sofia at September 21, 2004 12:14 AM

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