I guess that trial balloon floated in the world press by Israel's daily Haaretz got a swift and probably expected response, but to what purpose and effect eludes me. Al-Alusi is going to be very upset that his Washington neo-con pals lured him to this conference to be set up for a mis-quote, for surely he could not have been insane to say that many elements in Iraq are interested in diplomatic ties with Israel. Why did Israel need a firm public statement from the current Iraqi government that suggested little had changed since the fall of Saddam regarding Iraq being the enemy of Israel?

Have nary a clue about what's really going on here, but Chalabi sure has embarrassed the hell out of his American supporters.

Whoops - if this is considered a firing offense, I wonder what Iraqi groups will do if Israel's economic "invasion" of Iraq (via Jordan) ever gets reported.

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I posted this on Atrios's site but we should create a Chalabi/Neocon scorecard.

Who still defends Chalabi?
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Who has now attacked Chalabi?

laura says: "I think a normalization of relations between Israel and Iraq would be a grand thing."

Given the Shia aim of creating an Islamic republic as opposed to a non-secular government I would think even attempting this at this time would only further underscore their belief, (and perhaps ours), that the invasion of Iraq was more about our support of Israel than about the war on terrorism and terrorist states. It may be a good thing for Israel but I do not believe that it would be a good thing for Iraq. Not at this time. One can almost be certain that normalizing relations with the United States will be strongly opposed in any new elected Iraqi government.

Hey, we are not really being fair here to the Iraqis. How can they ever expect to have a correct position concerning Israel until they have their own IIPAC (Iraqi Israel Public Affair Committee) “educating” the Iraqi leadership on issues concerning the Middle East’s only democracy. How will Iraq ever get by until IIPAC activists are helping pass more than 100 pro-Israel dictatorial decrees a year from Iraqi strongmen. Until the day comes that Israel is procuring nearly $3 billion in aid critical to Israel's security from Iraqi taxpayers, we can only hope that the Iraqis will start to get it, and get with the program soon.

"Chalabi's loyalty to the intolerance of the 'Islamofascist' rulers of Tehran seems unimpeachable."

It must be rough being Chalabi. Remember exactly who he's supposed to be kowtowing toward today, and all.

Under the continuing debate on the rationale for invading Iran:

From Reuters: Colin Powell

"I think it's unlikely that we will find any stockpiles," Powell told lawmakers when asked about the intelligence behind his Feb. 5, 2003, U.N. Security Council speech laying out U.S. arguments for the war with Iraq that began six weeks later."

Juan Cole again with a very eloquent explanation for the invasion
of Iraq:

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AND Israel's greatest external threat, and biggest fear.

Its really way past time for someone at the whitehouse to admit to the second part.

-- P.

"An American source declared that the American public would be surprised to discover just how critical was the Saudi contribution to the American war effort. The kingdom is not enjoying much support from American public opinion. On the day after, Washington and Riyadh will have to find a way to overcome the other obstacles that have hurt relations of the two countries in the past two years: the attitude toward Crown Prince Abdullah's peace plan, the issue of Saudi cooperation in the terror investigation," and support for terrorist organizations.

I believe that the US presence in Saudi Arabia has been drastically reduced, so I think the last part should have been
slightly altered to reflect the current situation.

The Saudis seem to walk a tight-rope, on one side they seem to use the cities of Mecca and Medina, and their position as their keeper, plus oil money to protect their government from overthrow internally. On the other side seem to use their oil resources, leadership among Islamic countries, and their relationship with the United States to protect their country from external invasion.

They seem to play both sides against the middle in order to keep from falling.

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No Disputing It: Blogs are Major Players:
Netizen's late-night post questioning CBS claims about Bush's service spreads at warp speed.

Media experts said the role of the bloggers illustrated a significant development in the relationship between mainstream news and the still-nascent phenomenon of blogging.

This was the first time, some said, that the Web logs were engaging in their own form of investigative journalism — and readers, they warned, should be cautious.

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Al-Alusi heads the de-Baathification Committee. Could it be that this was a clever way to fire him? We couldn't just let him go, because that might tick off the Shiites, but if we encouraged him to make nice with Israel and then threw him out, the Shiites wouldn't mind.

Now we can work with the Baathists without Alusi looking over our shoulder.

Some of what I think KE04 should be saying:

But the question is what do the times--and the people--demand for the next 4 years in the White House?

The people of the United States demand a vigorous proponent of the national interest--not a passive broker for conflicting private interests. They demand a man capable of acting as the commander in chief of a Great Alliance, not merely a figurehead who refuses to read any of the vital National Security documents created for his eyes. Not a president who feels that his best work is done when his closest advisors tell him what and how to think about every crisis and on every issue. Instead they demand that he be the head of a responsible party, not rise so far above politics as to be invisible--a man who will formulate and fight for legislative policies, not be a casual, and often bored bystander to the legislative process.

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This administration has not faced up to these and other problems. Much has been said--but I am reminded of the old Chinese proverb: "There is a great deal of noise on the stairs but nobody comes into the room." The President's acceptance speech at the Republican Convention reminded me of the exhortation from "King Lear" but goes: "I will do such things--what they are I know not . . . but they shall be the wonders of the earth."

But the White House is not only the center of political leadership. It must be the center of moral leadership--a "bully pulpit," as Theodore Roosevelt described it. For only the President represents the national interest. And upon him alone converge all the needs and aspirations of all parts of the country, all departments of the Government, all nations of the world.

It is not enough merely to represent prevailing sentiment--to follow McKinley's practice, as described by Joe Cannon, of "keeping his ear so close to the ground he got it full of grasshoppers." We will need in this millenium a President who is willing and able to summon his national constituency to its finest hour--to alert the people to our dangers and our opportunities--to demand of them the sacrifices that will be necessary. F.D.R.'s words in his first inaugural still ring true: "In every dark hour of our national life, a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory."

Roosevelt fulfilled the role of moral leadership. So did Wilson and Lincoln, Truman and Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt. They led the people as well as the Government--they fought for great ideals as well as bills. And the time has come to demand that kind of leadership again.

For we must endow that office with extraordinary strength and vision. We must act in the image of Abraham Lincoln summoning his wartime Cabinet to a meeting on the Emancipation Proclamation. That Cabinet had been carefully chosen to please and reflect many elements in the country. But "I have gathered you together," Lincoln said, "to hear what I have written down. I do not wish your advice about the main matter--that I have determined for myself."

And later, when he went to sign, after several hours of exhausting handshaking that had left his arm weak, he said to those present: "If my name goes down in history, it will be for this act. My whole soul is in it. If my hand trembles when I sign this proclamation, all who examine the document hereafter will say: 'He hesitated.'"

 But Lincoln's hand did not tremble. He did not hesitate. He did not equivocate. For he was the President of the United States.

It is in this spirit that we must go forth in the coming months and years.

John F. Kerry... actually John F. Kennedy.. updated for 2004.

He was fluent in Arabic and familiar with the Islamic world. He was held in high respect within the agency, and was capable of reporting directly, if he chose, to George Tenet, the CIA director. The analyst did more than just visit and inspect. He interviewed at least 30 prisoners to find out who they were and how they ended up in Guantánamo. Some of his findings, he later confided to a former CIA colleague, were devastating."

This sounds an awful lot like George Cave, who until retirement was considered the foremost expert on the Middle East.

-- manoppello

The plot seems better for Wagner than Verdi, but the title would be nifty in Italian: Gli eroi in errore.

I think Chalabi sounds like he could be "Baudoino" in the book by Umberto Ecco. I wonder if his lover is an amazon Centaur?

- P.

Speaking of Italian books that mirror the machinations of the Neo Cons:

Eco's second novel-- "The Focault Pendulum" is also an intellectual blockbuster--should prove more accessible. This complex psychological thriller chronicles the development of a literary joke that plunges its perpetrators into deadly peril. The narrator, Casaubon, an expert on the medieval Knights Templars, and two editors working in a branch of a vanity press publishing house in Milan, are told about a purported coded message revealing a secret plan set in motion by the Knights Templars centuries ago when the society was forced underground. As a lark, the three decide to invent a history of the occult tying a variety of phenomena to the mysterious machinations of the Order. Feeding their inspirations into a computer, they become obsessed with their story, dreaming up links between the Templars and just about every occult manifestation throughout history, and predicting that culmination of the Templars' scheme to take over the world is close at hand. The plan becomes real to them--and eventually to the mysterious They, who want the information the trio has "discovered." Dense, packed with meaning, often startlingly provocative, the novel is a mixture of metaphysical meditation, detective story, computer handbook, introduction to physics and philosophy, historical survey, mathematical puzzle, compendium of religious and cultural mythology, guide to the Torah (Hebrew, rather than Latin contributes to the puzzle here, but is restricted mainly to chapter headings), reference manual to the occult, the hermetic mysteries, the Rosicrucians, the Jesuits, the Freemasons-- ad infinitum . The narrative eventually becomes heavy with the accumulated weight of data and supposition, and overwrought with implication, and its climax may leave readers underwhelmed. Until that point, however, this is an intriguing cerebral exercise in which Eco slyly suggests that intellectual arrogance can come to no good end.

First, Chalabi hardly needs to take directions from Iran to play Iraqi politics. Whether al-Alousi went on his own or was sent by the INC to send up a trial balloon, the INC's public response is a perfectly intelligible move.

Second, the idea that Chalabi is some sort of Iranian stooge or dedicated agent is, I think, a canard. Chalabi is a player. Whatever transactions he may or may not have had with elements in the Iranian government, as well as whatever transactions he may or may not have had with elements of the US or Israeli governments, these transactions were designed, in my opinion, to pursue Chalabi's own personal ends and desire for power.

I don't see why this INC action should be seen as shocking or disturbing. If Rand Beers, just to take an example, suddenly showed up at a conference in Iran one day and announced to the press that "powerful members of the Kerry campaign are advocating full normalization of relations between the US and Iran," the Kerry campaign would be forced to cut Beers loose within *minutes*. It's the same thing. The INC can forget about any role in a future Iraqi government if it is seen as a friend of Israel.

It is also not a question of tolerance or intolerance. Compare: The US had, to put it mildly, terrible relations with the Soviet Union for decades. But the bad relations were not in any significant way due to "intolerance" of Russians. It was an intense political conflict.

Similarly, Israel is a smaller version of the "evil empire" to most Arabs in the Middle East. They are reviled at the popular level throughout the region. And unless they dramatically alter their policies, it's going to be that way for some time. The notion that Jews are "infidels" may indeed play to a segment of Arab society, just as the notion that the Soviets were "atheists" played to the religious right in the US during the Cold War. But to see Arab antipathy toward Israel as mainly grounded in the idea that the Israelis are infidels would be just as mistaken as thinking that the whole Cold War was mainly due to American hatred of atheists.

Eroici in errori...

"The notion that Jews are "infidels" may indeed play to a segment of Arab society, just as the notion that the Soviets were "atheists" played to the religious right in the US during the Cold War."

For centuries, perhaps a millenium Jews, in fact, Jews were invited and encouraged to live in Islamic countries out of respect. They were never considered infidels. In Islamic world of the dark ages they were protected and were allowed to assume high places in the government while they were often ostracized in European countries, where pograms often occurred.

If anything I would suspect that their would be more of a feeling of betrayal in the Islamic world.

The label "infidel" is reserved for most everyone else.

-- manoppello

"eroici in errori"

I think the headline would be:

"gli eroici sbagliati".

- manoppello

"Whoops! I guess Ahmad Chalabi is not so open minded about Israel as some of his fellow INC members. So much for the liberal democratic values of Chalabi and the INC! Must be orders from Tehran, to stop collaborating with the infidels! Chalabi's willingness to pander to those preaching intolerance in the region is unimpeachable."
---my God, i thought you were being subtly ironic with this 'Israel-INC axis beams liberal hope to region' stuff, but you actually mean it. You aren't a journalist, you're an apparatchik.

p.s., perhaps you should read this, by historian Gabriel Kolko:
http://www.counterpunch.org/kolko09132004.html
I don't agree with his conclusion, which is that the rest of the world is so dense that if Kerry won it would march into enslavement under the vacuous slogans of atlanticist liberal imperialism, but his description of the latter is good. In any case, it's academic, since none of you show any capacity for deploying smoke and mirrors on the scale of the evil GOP.

Hmmmm... no more news of the Israeli/Aipac/NeoCon/FBI story about spying and stealing US classified documents.

Did War and Piece get a phone call?

Of course, it seems to have dropped out of the media in general. Prior reports suggest very serious crimes against the country at the highest levels of government. Why no coverage? Where's Bob Woodward when we REALLY need him?

There, there Rowan. Not everyone can be David Ickes.

Cheer up. If people think Laura is a hack, maybe they'll go read your kooky blog.

Actually, come to think of it, it would be "gli eroi sbagliati"

-- manoppello

"p.s., perhaps you should read this, by historian Gabriel Kolko"

He seems to make a convincing argument for regime change in the US, to any regime.

"But vice-president Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the neoconservatives and eclectic hawks in Bush's administration are oblivious to the consequences of their recommendations or to the way they shock America's overseas friends. Many of the President's key advisers possess aggressive, essentially academic geopolitical visions that assume overwhelming American military and economic power. Eccentric interpretations of Holy Scripture inspire yet others, including Bush himself. Most of these crusaders employ an amorphous nationalist AND MESSIANIC rhetoric that makes it impossible to predict exactly how Bush will mediate between very diverse, often quirky influences, though thus far he has favored advocates of wanton use of American military might throughout the world. No one close to the President acknowledges the limits of its power--limits that are political and, as Korea and Vietnam proved, military too."

Now, just change the names and his mention of Korea and Vietnam and you have a perfect reflection of the Likud administration in Israel.

In Reagan's first term many of his close advisors shared a similar Messianic vision. Secretary of the Interior Butz believed that it was okay to cut down all the trees because the world was about to end in Armaggedon in 10-20 years. Needless to say, all were replaced in the second term. The people replacing them were generally fairly competent.

-- manoppello

The deluded souls of this Bush administration truly do not acknowledge any limits to U.S. power (including I would say the power to withstand, by force of will alone, the consequences of global warming), given their various ideologies of "manifest destiny" (albeit, no longer so manifest) and/or "American exceptionalism" (an elixer that even David Brooks is hooked on). Nevertheless, for anyone looking beyond the overt propaganda of Fox and the delusional psychology of Ziono-Xian messianism, the LIMITS are glaring and we are crashing up against them at every turn: Fallujah and the entirety of Iraq, Iran, Korea, Sudan, Turkey, Europe, Chinese and Indian productive capacity, Israeli espionage in the heart of the government, Pakistan, Afghanistan, education in America, an economy addicted to unsustainable stimulus, and a radically, radically divided country, to name a few. Their vision and rhetoric of "triumphalism" and America's extra-historical essence, is quite rapidly being decimated by the brutal fact of reality.

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