September 08, 2004

Rumsfeld sounds like the Politburo during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. From the Washington Times:

The defense secretary . . . declared of the insurgency in Iraq, "They're losing."

His assessment came on a day when the military death toll in Iraq
reached 1,000 Americans since the invasion in May 2003.

"I feel generally quite good about how things are going there," he
said. "Needless to say, you can't feel good about it when you've lost over a
thousand people."

He gave the administration and the coalition a "B-plus" for managing
Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein in terms of interaction between the
new government and U.S. forces.

As Tom Schaller notes today at the Gadflyer:

The daily coalition casualty rate in Iraq during 2004 thus far is MORE THAN DOUBLE the daily coalition casualty rate in Iraq during 2003. That's right:

18.0 casualties a day in 2004;
8.4/day in 2003.

Are Rumsfeld and other Pentagon leaders dangerously in denial, or are they deliberately lying to the American public about the implications of the trend lines in Iraq?

Should the uniformed military be forced to bear the brunt of the delusions and deceptions of their civilian leadership? Why aren't they being heard?


Posted by Laura at September 8, 2004 11:54 AM
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Obviously, the script works so they just keep using it. The script was if you repeat something often enough, people will start to believe it.

It is really the press's fault for not challenging Dumbfeld and other administration officials but I gave up on the mainstream press loooooooooooooooooooooooooong ago. I would not call reporters WHORES because it does a disservice to the real working whores.

if the military senior officers are cowards and are afraid of speaking out, well, what should we call them?

Laura, they are not in denial. They know exactly what they are doing. ALl the talking points are from Rove's desk. We are winning. Americans believe it.

Posted by: kim at September 8, 2004 12:33 PM

I am amazed that bloggers haven't glommed onto the Naomi Klein article in September's "Harper's". Without a doubt it is one of the most important articles I have read to date on the Iraq war and reconstruction. It's a frightening look at what the neo-cons can do and have done to this world of ours.

Posted by: BevD at September 8, 2004 01:01 PM

Kim obviously does not support the troops, in that, we cannot tell the troops they are losing, they cannot handle that; we cannot handle another bout of Vietnam syndrome; we must win at all costs; we are winning and have and will always be winning until we've won which was never in doubt. If you think otherwise you are unpatriotic, defeatist, perhaps even 5th column undermining the morale of the nation. The first casualty of war is the truth which in this case was killed way before the war started.

Posted by: mik at September 8, 2004 01:06 PM

http://travel.state.gov/travel/iraq_warning.html

Posted by: BH at September 8, 2004 01:28 PM

>Are Rumseld and other Pentagon leaders
>dangerously in denial, or are they
>deliberately lying to the American public
>about the implications of the trend lines in >Iraq?

Not mutually exclusive activities.

>Should the uniformed military be forced to bear
>the brunt of the delusions and deceptions of >their civilian leadership? Why aren't they being >heard?

We may well hear them loud and clear on Nov. 2nd

Posted by: Dusty at September 8, 2004 01:46 PM

A B+? Wow, talk about grade inflation. This man spews hogwash with every utterance.

Posted by: cs at September 8, 2004 02:13 PM

"Why aren't they (the Military) being heard?"

Perhaps they are running a anonymous phone calling service like the one in the article before this one. Feith and Rumsfeld and NeoChohorts receive phone calls late at night of recorded gun battles and the screaming wounded in Falluja, and all the other regions that the U.S. Military does not control in Iraq. Or Mr. Rumfeld's screensaver appears every morning with yet another bloody picture of a battlefield casualty from his war.

This is another problem for an All Volunteer Army. They really don't have a constituency other than the Military Industrial Complex. When they start dying and getting screwed over, the majority of Americans just think, "Thank God, that isn't one of my kids."

Posted by: rukus at September 8, 2004 02:34 PM

Putting aside whether or not Cheney is a goober:

>Should the uniformed military be forced to bear the brunt of the delusions and deceptions of their civilian leadership?

The uniformed military is ALWAYS forced to bear the brunt of the delusions and deceptions of leadership. Regardless of who is president. Not to mention bearing the burden of congressional idiocy.

>Why aren't they being heard?

Well, there is the 'Come Back to Iraq, your new home away from home' astroturf campaign (still on-going). As far as I'm concerned that is too much as it is. Getting the serving uniforms to inject themselves into politics is a bad idea. Since once involved, any military tends to stay involved and after awhile, they get tired of listening to idiot civilians and put somebody with some sense in charge without the hindrance of messy elections.

Plenty of Emperors started their political careers based on the notion of getting rid of the morons in charge back home. The situation is bad enough with them practically giving Bush a crown of laurel in NYC. So I hope the uniforms stay silent. Excepting perhaps at the ballot box. Particularly as many of them are Rush listeners and might be inclined to shoot pesky opponents of Bush the Hero.

Oh, and:
>"I feel generally quite good about how things are going there," he said. "Needless to say, you can't feel good about it when you've lost over a
thousand people."

Isn't that kind of statement usually blamed on nuance?


ash
['He feels really really good about feeling bad.']

Posted by: ash at September 8, 2004 02:42 PM

Laura asks:

> Are Rumsfeld and other Pentagon leaders
> dangerously in denial, or are they deliberately
> lying to the American public about the
> implications of the trend lines in Iraq?

The Simpsons respond:

> Marge: Do you want your son to grow up to be
> Chief Justice of the Supreme Court or a sleazy
> male stripper?

> Homer: Can't he be both, like the late Earl
> Warren?

Posted by: rod at September 8, 2004 02:57 PM

Armed Forces Radio, a service particularly overseas troops, carries Rush Limbaugh. One I inquired if was proper to carry such a one-sided partisan, they answered, "He has a big audience. He is popular."

Rumsfeld's comments on Iraq are the exact words and phrases we heard out of Viet Nam. I'm surprised he would not at least change the language a bit. All I'm waiting for now is the "Light at the end of the tunnel" phrase.

Sons

Posted by: Sons at September 8, 2004 03:06 PM

"Bring 'em on."
"Shock and awe."
"Mission accomplished."
"The more progress we make, the more desperate they become."
"Terrorists."
"Bitter-enders."
"Mushroom clouds are imminent."
"Foreign fighters."
"The U.S. will prevail."
"The new Iraqi sovereign government."
"Retired General Jay Garner."
"Ours is a humanitarian mission."
"1000 soldiers died because of 9/11."
"Electing Kerry will encourage another attack."
Every major administration pronouncement has been a LIE. But, they understand the half-life ontology of the media better than the Democrats. If only it weren't so.

Posted by: comenius at September 8, 2004 03:40 PM

You forgot one:

"We're fighting them over there (Iraq) so we don't have to fight them here at home."

He repeated that one again, in a speech today, when commenting on the 1000 US casualties.

Posted by: sofia at September 8, 2004 07:12 PM

The Iraq war obviously stands as the
fulcrum on which this election cycle
turns.

However, Kerry has been less than
clear about how he might actually
manage the war differently than the
Bush administration.

There have been two articles
published recently that strike at
the heart of why the Iraqi
reconstruction effort has gone so
terribly wrong.

One is Naomi Klein's "Baghdad Year
Zero: Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a
neo-con utopia." It is published in the current
Harper's Magazine; it is not available
online.

The other is www.nybooks.com/articles/17406 Peter
W. Galbraith's “Iraq: The Bungled Transition” in the current New York
Review of Books.

Both outline how the twin canards of
cronyism and neoconservative
ideology have utterly hobbled the
reconstruction.

Kerry needs to connect the dots and
say that he would entice the
involvement of the international
community by opening the
reconstruction contracting to all
bidders.

France, Germany and Russia have long
standing, historic interests in
Iraq. The reason that they are not
currently involved in shepherding
those interests is that they have
been frozen out by the
administration.

This corruption and lack of \
pragmatic good sense has led
directly to the loss of both
American and Iraqi life.

Kerry needs to use the issue of the
no-bid contracts to both show how he
would govern differently than Bush
and as a cudgel to bludgeon Bush as
corrupt.

Posted by: BartBoris at September 8, 2004 07:28 PM

"Are Rumsfeld and other Pentagon leaders dangerously in denial, or are they deliberately lying to the American public about the implications of the trend lines in Iraq?"

Ms. Rozen,

Relative to your question, might I say. I realize your journalistic tendencies encourage you to present both sides of the question; but, given Rumsfeld’s record, and that of other top administration officials, I think the answer to the question, as you have posed it, is obvious. They understand that lying to the public has no consequences.

Regardless, almost, of how venal may be the acts of top government officials seats on the board of a megacorp; a fellowship at one of the various propaganda churning “institutes” or “institutions”; partnership in a renown law firm; and speaking engagements await. Shucks, a felony conviction for actions that subvert the Constitution doesn’t even preclude a person from future service as a presidential political appointee.

Be that as it may. There are, I think, not just two explanations for the bizarre actions and words of our maximum leader and his minions. Ideologues, true believers, are very capable of heinous things, such as the revolting acts in Beslan. Though on the heinousness scale, lying may not register anywhere near the killing of children; in both cases, however, the perpetrators have ends that, to themselves, justifies their antisocial behavior.

Thanks for what you do.

Posted by: Turnow at September 8, 2004 09:25 PM

It does appear as if the real purposes behind an FBI, (not CIA), investigation has now been muddled and diluted by associate of AIPAC and the neo-cons.

It is not to investigate foreign policy vis-a-vis Israeli influence over US foreign policy, whether it exists or not.

The real investigation is searching for the "leak" that delivered classified TSSI NSA compartmented information to Iran. At this point that occurrence certainly must be alarming for both countries!!!

Did the neo-cons use classified NSA compartmented information perhaps to trade with insurgent Iranian groups in order to obtain information to aid them with their regime change objectives? Was the information also forwarded to Israeli authorities?

If the neo-cons aren't responsible then who is? If the neo-cons are culpable, (and they apparently do have a history of doing this), are they using the publicity as a smoke screen to throw off the investigation?

-- P.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 8, 2004 10:47 PM

The problem isn't just that casualties are going up. Casualties in World War II went up after the invasion of Normandy. But the allies were winning the war. The problem in Iraq is that the light at the end of the tunnel is receding, becasue US-Allawi government is losing control of major portions of the country, and the January elections are at risk. The cities in Anbar province are now no-go areas, run by sheikhs and elders opposed to the transition process, and defended by increasingly radicalized Sunni militants.

The options are (i) to cancel the elections, (ii) to go ahead with the elections, excluding the non-go areas, (iii) to go ahead with the elections and try to set up safe zones outside the no-go cities where residents of those cities can go to vote and (iv) to use military force try to seize control of the cities.

None of the options are good. If the transitional framework collapses, the country could fragment into parts, ushering in a violent internal struggle such as we saw with the breakup of Yugoslavia.

George Bush may also end go down in history as the proud father of something Bin Laden wanted in Saudi Arabia, but couldn't achieve - a rabidly anti-US, Sunni fundamentalist state in what was once Anbar province.

"War on Terror" indeed!

Posted by: Dan Kervick at September 9, 2004 12:41 AM

"Meantime, a word about Kerry vs. Bush 2004. Someone I interviewed mentioned this yesterday and I thought it was an insightful point. It's not fair, but increasingly it's obvious. Personal biography doesn't matter very much in this campaign."

I fail to see what would obviate such a claim, and therefore what exactly the insight is. In a non-landslide everything matters very much.

Remarkable though that someone would be scuttling such a butt just when serious attention is turning (at long long last) to the bushkid's personal biography, isn't it??

Posted by: Dusty at September 9, 2004 01:13 AM

Ms. Rosen, you feel that this whole thing about AIPAC, Israel and Franklin is domestic politics?

Come on now, there's a great big elephant in the living room on this one - you do see it, don't you?

AIPAC rules our Congress and also the Administration to a great extent. That they pass secrets they receive from their spies within our government is easy to believe (and now the FBI has a lot of solid evidence which I hope they will fully use).

We are in a time of "war" now. George Bush said so. In a time of war passing governmental secrets that are related to that war in any way is called Treason. Its not hard to connect the dots: NeoCons, desire to demolish Iraq to benefit Israel, Chalibi, Iran next on list, AIPAC conduit to Israel. Get it?

So let's please not join an attempt to TRY to pass this thing off as "domestic" politics, or inter-agency politics, etc. It runs much deeper and I hope the FBI is the agency with the loyalty to this country to follow the trail where ever it leads. Its about time!

Posted by: Sons at September 9, 2004 05:34 AM

AIPAC is sacrosanct. DO NOT TOUCH!

Posted by: anon at September 9, 2004 07:27 AM

"Remarkable though that someone would be scuttling such a butt just when serious attention is turning (at long long last) to the bushkid's personal biography, isn't it??"

I had the same reaction Dusty.

As a lifetime New Englander, I also detect a regional double standard in the Bush v. Kerry race. The Texan, Bush, got religion at some point. He's "born again", and so no matter what idiocies or feats of turpitude he performed earlier in his life, he gets a pass and is not held accountable. Drunkenness, drug addiction, dereliction of duty, financial incompetence, cruelty to animals, whatever - it's all washed clean.

Yet Kerry, as a once-born Catholic, has to stand trial for things he did in his early twenties -heinous crimes which include getting shot at in Vietnam, and then working here at home to get the Rumsfelds of his day to put a stop the flow of body bags.

Posted by: Dan Kervick at September 9, 2004 08:48 AM

anon~

Keep your threatening garbage off of here. AIPAC is no more or less sacrosanct than any other rabid political PAC. Choose your allegiance carefully.

Posted by: comenius at September 9, 2004 09:16 AM

Dan

While I would not discount or disagree with your "spiritual" description of the matter, I don't think it warrants any loftier explanation than the perpetually growing Conventional Wisdom (tada) elephant dung sculpture that exudes from the autonomic nervous systems of the neo-monarchists in the DC/Media Analstocracy.

And BTW, one of the major "Rumsfelds of his time" ... was Rumsfeld. (Counsellor to the President - 1971)

Posted by: Dusty at September 9, 2004 10:43 AM

um, where's today's post (w/ the link to Juan Cole) gone?

Posted by: dk at September 9, 2004 11:59 AM

AIPAC isn't sacrosanct, they are like DARPA. DARPA is often the means through which the NSA "launders" (hides) their expenditures. For example NSA contracted DARPA to research and develop many of the mechanisms and infrasture associated with something that has become all too familiar: the Internet. AIPAC is really just a facade when all is said and done. The real queston is who is the man behind that curtain? Is he just a Mighty Morphin Ranger? Perhaps he has an Israeli army uniform? He could be shopping center magnate, or a shipping magnate. He could even be an ex-Russian mafioso.

-- P.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 9, 2004 01:19 PM

From Haaretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/475591.html

"A significant portion of background material given to Israeli diplomats in world capitals is classified material of one sort or another"

Robbie Sabel, this is a poor argument for excusing Likud policies.

NSA intercepts, reconaissance photos, algorithms, sources, methods are not just ordinary "classified" material. Its distribution and dissemation to foreign powers invokes both the Espionage and Munitions acts. When it is used to barter for a handful of Israeli spies and Jewish dissidents and in the process create the potential to threaten hundreds of thousands....

-- P.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 9, 2004 02:32 PM

Isarel and the US are Strategic (nuclear) partners. There are treaties not all in the public domain ( like they are secret).

These relationships go back over many administrations.

Israeli and AMericans can hold dual citizenship.

The President who voices American policy laid it out in June 2003 and June 2004.

Iraq was necessary for this nation and its international goals. France and Russia were profiting from the UN oil deals.

Iraq is not Viet Nam. In 40 ro 50 years this will look like the right thing to do. The polls also seem to be shwoing that most Americans think the same thing.

How some will folks on this list deal with another 4 years of Bush?

From my perspective he is a serious moral leader. I wish he had a wider view, but I do not doubt his inherent goodness.

Becuase of Aby Gharub I will not vote for him.

I

Posted by: thinkingright at September 9, 2004 03:26 PM

ThinkingRight,

George Bush is a recovering drug addict turned evangelist.

It is likely the latter helped him overcome the former. However,
any moment of stress could return him to his drug of choice.

His behavior in the throes of his addiction was anything other than moral. Unlike most 12-step recovering addicts he continues to lie about how it affected his behavior and life. He refused to complete his obligation to the National Guard because of his addiction. And in the process possibly hurt the careers of some of his superiors who did participate and did complete their obligations. He seems to still be doing it, first by smearing the Patriotism of Senator McClain and now with Kerry.
His father was forced to send him to Alabama to keep his activities from affecting his congressional campaign. This behavior goes completely against the philosophy of any 12-step recovery program. It is not moral by any stretch of the imagination.

If you want to be pragmatic and say that you think the people Bush has and will choose will move the country in the right direction; that is fine. But making ludicrous claims about Bush holding higher moral ground are completely ludicrous.

That is not to say that Kerry is wonderful and I have a lot of questions about his future choices; however if this campaign is so important perhaps we need less hyperbole and more pragmatism. Let's agree to "call a spade a spade."

-- P.

Posted by: Manoppello at September 9, 2004 05:27 PM

Obviously Rumsfeld is trying to counter the effect of this chart (see trend in casualty/KIA)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

THe situation in Iraq is getting worst.

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